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Trigonometry substitution issue with sign


Trig substitution integralDefinite Integral - help with choosing which solution is the right one?Integrating $ int frac1sqrtx^2+4,dx $ using Trigonometric SubstitutionUsing Inverse Trig. TechniqueWhy do I need to switch the sign of the natural log in this trig-sub integration problem?Find the length of the curve $x^2$ from $[1, 3]$Simpler Derivation of $sin fracpi4 = cos fracpi4 = frac1sqrt2$,Why can we drop the absolute sign in this case of trig-substitution?Writing $tan^2(2sec^-1(fracx3))$ in algebraic formIndefinite integral of $fracsqrt 25x^2 - 4x$













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When solving an integral such as $displaystyleintfracdxsqrtx^2+4$, you eventually end up with



$$ lnlvertsectheta+tanthetarvert+C.$$



The next step is to rewrite this in terms of $x$. My book does the following: $x=2tantheta$, so by drawing a triangle, it can be seen that $x$ is the opposite side, $2$ the adjacent one, and finally, $sqrt2^2+x^2$ the hypotenuse. Therefore, $$sectheta=fracsqrt2^2+x^22.$$ The problem that I see however is that $sqrt2^2+x^2$ is the magnitude of the hypotenuse, so this has lost a possible negative sign since it is not necessarily true that



$$ sectheta = frac2.$$



How can this be omitted?










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    When solving an integral such as $displaystyleintfracdxsqrtx^2+4$, you eventually end up with



    $$ lnlvertsectheta+tanthetarvert+C.$$



    The next step is to rewrite this in terms of $x$. My book does the following: $x=2tantheta$, so by drawing a triangle, it can be seen that $x$ is the opposite side, $2$ the adjacent one, and finally, $sqrt2^2+x^2$ the hypotenuse. Therefore, $$sectheta=fracsqrt2^2+x^22.$$ The problem that I see however is that $sqrt2^2+x^2$ is the magnitude of the hypotenuse, so this has lost a possible negative sign since it is not necessarily true that



    $$ sectheta = frac2.$$



    How can this be omitted?










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      When solving an integral such as $displaystyleintfracdxsqrtx^2+4$, you eventually end up with



      $$ lnlvertsectheta+tanthetarvert+C.$$



      The next step is to rewrite this in terms of $x$. My book does the following: $x=2tantheta$, so by drawing a triangle, it can be seen that $x$ is the opposite side, $2$ the adjacent one, and finally, $sqrt2^2+x^2$ the hypotenuse. Therefore, $$sectheta=fracsqrt2^2+x^22.$$ The problem that I see however is that $sqrt2^2+x^2$ is the magnitude of the hypotenuse, so this has lost a possible negative sign since it is not necessarily true that



      $$ sectheta = frac2.$$



      How can this be omitted?










      share|cite|improve this question











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      When solving an integral such as $displaystyleintfracdxsqrtx^2+4$, you eventually end up with



      $$ lnlvertsectheta+tanthetarvert+C.$$



      The next step is to rewrite this in terms of $x$. My book does the following: $x=2tantheta$, so by drawing a triangle, it can be seen that $x$ is the opposite side, $2$ the adjacent one, and finally, $sqrt2^2+x^2$ the hypotenuse. Therefore, $$sectheta=fracsqrt2^2+x^22.$$ The problem that I see however is that $sqrt2^2+x^2$ is the magnitude of the hypotenuse, so this has lost a possible negative sign since it is not necessarily true that



      $$ sectheta = frac2.$$



      How can this be omitted?







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          When you make the substitution $x=2tan theta$, you have to be careful to specify the domain of $theta$: the substitution is only valid if $theta$ has a small enough domain for $tan theta$ to be continuous. The simplest possible choice of domain is probably $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$. Note that the range of $2tan theta$ on this domain is the entire real line, so taking $theta$ in this domain doesn't lose any generality.



          But when $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$, we always have $sec theta > 0$. So in fact, if you make this choice of domain, it is always true that $2 sec theta=sqrtx^2+4$, without any sign issues.



          (If you chose a different domain for $theta$, you might find that $2sectheta = -sqrtx^2+4$ instead. It's a useful exercise to think about why this will not change the eventual value of the integral. In any case, the sign of $sec theta$ is constant on every domain where $tan theta$ is continuous.)






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            That makes sense, thanks. Is my answer that I put a reason for your excersise regarding “why this will not change the eventual value of the integral.” Thanks
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          Let's work through it from the beginning
          $$x=2tantheta, dx=2sec^2theta dtheta.\
          int fracdxsqrtx^2+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dthetasqrt4tan^2theta+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dtheta=int|sectheta|dtheta=intsectheta dtheta\
          =ln(tantheta+sectheta)+C.$$



          Where the modulus sign can be removed because we can assume $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$ to get all the values of $x$.



          Again, when using $2sectheta=pmsqrtx^2+4$, we know that $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$, so the minus sign can be ignored.



          If you try to use other ranges of $theta$, the negative sign(if any) in the above steps should cancel out, and you can get the same result.






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            Is this perhaps a possible solution?



            $$intfracdx+2sqrtx^2+2^2=intfracdx+2sqrtsec^2(theta)=intfrac2sec^2(theta)2mid sec(theta)middtheta=intmidsec(theta)mid dtheta >0 $$






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              $begingroup$

              When you make the substitution $x=2tan theta$, you have to be careful to specify the domain of $theta$: the substitution is only valid if $theta$ has a small enough domain for $tan theta$ to be continuous. The simplest possible choice of domain is probably $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$. Note that the range of $2tan theta$ on this domain is the entire real line, so taking $theta$ in this domain doesn't lose any generality.



              But when $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$, we always have $sec theta > 0$. So in fact, if you make this choice of domain, it is always true that $2 sec theta=sqrtx^2+4$, without any sign issues.



              (If you chose a different domain for $theta$, you might find that $2sectheta = -sqrtx^2+4$ instead. It's a useful exercise to think about why this will not change the eventual value of the integral. In any case, the sign of $sec theta$ is constant on every domain where $tan theta$ is continuous.)






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              • $begingroup$
                That makes sense, thanks. Is my answer that I put a reason for your excersise regarding “why this will not change the eventual value of the integral.” Thanks
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                – Roshan Klein-Seetharaman
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              $begingroup$

              When you make the substitution $x=2tan theta$, you have to be careful to specify the domain of $theta$: the substitution is only valid if $theta$ has a small enough domain for $tan theta$ to be continuous. The simplest possible choice of domain is probably $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$. Note that the range of $2tan theta$ on this domain is the entire real line, so taking $theta$ in this domain doesn't lose any generality.



              But when $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$, we always have $sec theta > 0$. So in fact, if you make this choice of domain, it is always true that $2 sec theta=sqrtx^2+4$, without any sign issues.



              (If you chose a different domain for $theta$, you might find that $2sectheta = -sqrtx^2+4$ instead. It's a useful exercise to think about why this will not change the eventual value of the integral. In any case, the sign of $sec theta$ is constant on every domain where $tan theta$ is continuous.)






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              • $begingroup$
                That makes sense, thanks. Is my answer that I put a reason for your excersise regarding “why this will not change the eventual value of the integral.” Thanks
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                – Roshan Klein-Seetharaman
                1 hour ago













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              $begingroup$

              When you make the substitution $x=2tan theta$, you have to be careful to specify the domain of $theta$: the substitution is only valid if $theta$ has a small enough domain for $tan theta$ to be continuous. The simplest possible choice of domain is probably $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$. Note that the range of $2tan theta$ on this domain is the entire real line, so taking $theta$ in this domain doesn't lose any generality.



              But when $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$, we always have $sec theta > 0$. So in fact, if you make this choice of domain, it is always true that $2 sec theta=sqrtx^2+4$, without any sign issues.



              (If you chose a different domain for $theta$, you might find that $2sectheta = -sqrtx^2+4$ instead. It's a useful exercise to think about why this will not change the eventual value of the integral. In any case, the sign of $sec theta$ is constant on every domain where $tan theta$ is continuous.)






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              When you make the substitution $x=2tan theta$, you have to be careful to specify the domain of $theta$: the substitution is only valid if $theta$ has a small enough domain for $tan theta$ to be continuous. The simplest possible choice of domain is probably $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$. Note that the range of $2tan theta$ on this domain is the entire real line, so taking $theta$ in this domain doesn't lose any generality.



              But when $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$, we always have $sec theta > 0$. So in fact, if you make this choice of domain, it is always true that $2 sec theta=sqrtx^2+4$, without any sign issues.



              (If you chose a different domain for $theta$, you might find that $2sectheta = -sqrtx^2+4$ instead. It's a useful exercise to think about why this will not change the eventual value of the integral. In any case, the sign of $sec theta$ is constant on every domain where $tan theta$ is continuous.)







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              • $begingroup$
                That makes sense, thanks. Is my answer that I put a reason for your excersise regarding “why this will not change the eventual value of the integral.” Thanks
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              • $begingroup$
                That makes sense, thanks. Is my answer that I put a reason for your excersise regarding “why this will not change the eventual value of the integral.” Thanks
                $endgroup$
                – Roshan Klein-Seetharaman
                1 hour ago















              $begingroup$
              That makes sense, thanks. Is my answer that I put a reason for your excersise regarding “why this will not change the eventual value of the integral.” Thanks
              $endgroup$
              – Roshan Klein-Seetharaman
              1 hour ago




              $begingroup$
              That makes sense, thanks. Is my answer that I put a reason for your excersise regarding “why this will not change the eventual value of the integral.” Thanks
              $endgroup$
              – Roshan Klein-Seetharaman
              1 hour ago











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              Let's work through it from the beginning
              $$x=2tantheta, dx=2sec^2theta dtheta.\
              int fracdxsqrtx^2+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dthetasqrt4tan^2theta+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dtheta=int|sectheta|dtheta=intsectheta dtheta\
              =ln(tantheta+sectheta)+C.$$



              Where the modulus sign can be removed because we can assume $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$ to get all the values of $x$.



              Again, when using $2sectheta=pmsqrtx^2+4$, we know that $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$, so the minus sign can be ignored.



              If you try to use other ranges of $theta$, the negative sign(if any) in the above steps should cancel out, and you can get the same result.






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                $begingroup$

                Let's work through it from the beginning
                $$x=2tantheta, dx=2sec^2theta dtheta.\
                int fracdxsqrtx^2+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dthetasqrt4tan^2theta+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dtheta=int|sectheta|dtheta=intsectheta dtheta\
                =ln(tantheta+sectheta)+C.$$



                Where the modulus sign can be removed because we can assume $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$ to get all the values of $x$.



                Again, when using $2sectheta=pmsqrtx^2+4$, we know that $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$, so the minus sign can be ignored.



                If you try to use other ranges of $theta$, the negative sign(if any) in the above steps should cancel out, and you can get the same result.






                share|cite|improve this answer









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                  $begingroup$

                  Let's work through it from the beginning
                  $$x=2tantheta, dx=2sec^2theta dtheta.\
                  int fracdxsqrtx^2+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dthetasqrt4tan^2theta+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dtheta=int|sectheta|dtheta=intsectheta dtheta\
                  =ln(tantheta+sectheta)+C.$$



                  Where the modulus sign can be removed because we can assume $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$ to get all the values of $x$.



                  Again, when using $2sectheta=pmsqrtx^2+4$, we know that $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$, so the minus sign can be ignored.



                  If you try to use other ranges of $theta$, the negative sign(if any) in the above steps should cancel out, and you can get the same result.






                  share|cite|improve this answer









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                  Let's work through it from the beginning
                  $$x=2tantheta, dx=2sec^2theta dtheta.\
                  int fracdxsqrtx^2+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dthetasqrt4tan^2theta+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dtheta=int|sectheta|dtheta=intsectheta dtheta\
                  =ln(tantheta+sectheta)+C.$$



                  Where the modulus sign can be removed because we can assume $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$ to get all the values of $x$.



                  Again, when using $2sectheta=pmsqrtx^2+4$, we know that $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$, so the minus sign can be ignored.



                  If you try to use other ranges of $theta$, the negative sign(if any) in the above steps should cancel out, and you can get the same result.







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                      Is this perhaps a possible solution?



                      $$intfracdx+2sqrtx^2+2^2=intfracdx+2sqrtsec^2(theta)=intfrac2sec^2(theta)2mid sec(theta)middtheta=intmidsec(theta)mid dtheta >0 $$






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                        $$intfracdx+2sqrtx^2+2^2=intfracdx+2sqrtsec^2(theta)=intfrac2sec^2(theta)2mid sec(theta)middtheta=intmidsec(theta)mid dtheta >0 $$






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                          $$intfracdx+2sqrtx^2+2^2=intfracdx+2sqrtsec^2(theta)=intfrac2sec^2(theta)2mid sec(theta)middtheta=intmidsec(theta)mid dtheta >0 $$







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