Probability of taking balls without replacement from a bag questionProbability without replacement questionsSuppose 5 red and 7 green balls are in a bag. Three balls are removed without replacement.Probability of selecting balls from Bag BProbability of drawing balls without replacement in first and last drawFrequentist problem about choosing balls without replacementMarble probability without replacement questionProbability problem - Pick up balls from a bagPulling colored balls from a bagProbability that the number of red balls removed from the bag is 4Probability of taking balls from a bag

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Probability of taking balls without replacement from a bag question


Probability without replacement questionsSuppose 5 red and 7 green balls are in a bag. Three balls are removed without replacement.Probability of selecting balls from Bag BProbability of drawing balls without replacement in first and last drawFrequentist problem about choosing balls without replacementMarble probability without replacement questionProbability problem - Pick up balls from a bagPulling colored balls from a bagProbability that the number of red balls removed from the bag is 4Probability of taking balls from a bag













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A bag contains $N$ balls, $2$ of which are red. Balls are removed, one by one, (without replacement), stopping when both red balls have emerged. Find the probability that exactly $n$ balls are removed.




I'm honestly not sure where to even start. I know it's an intersection of ($1$ Red ball in $n-1$ attempts) and (red on $n$-th attempt).



I think the $Pr(textRed on;ntext-th attempt; | ;1 ; textRed already)$ is $$ frac1N-(n-1) $$ but I'm not sure for the other probability, or whether this one is correct for that matter.



Any help would be appreciated. :)










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    I guess you are thinking that before the $n$th draw, $n-1$ balls have already been drawn, leaving $N - (n-1)$ in the urn, if if one of the balls drawn was red, exactly one of the balls still in the urn is red. That seems correct to me.
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A bag contains $N$ balls, $2$ of which are red. Balls are removed, one by one, (without replacement), stopping when both red balls have emerged. Find the probability that exactly $n$ balls are removed.




I'm honestly not sure where to even start. I know it's an intersection of ($1$ Red ball in $n-1$ attempts) and (red on $n$-th attempt).



I think the $Pr(textRed on;ntext-th attempt; | ;1 ; textRed already)$ is $$ frac1N-(n-1) $$ but I'm not sure for the other probability, or whether this one is correct for that matter.



Any help would be appreciated. :)










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    I guess you are thinking that before the $n$th draw, $n-1$ balls have already been drawn, leaving $N - (n-1)$ in the urn, if if one of the balls drawn was red, exactly one of the balls still in the urn is red. That seems correct to me.
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A bag contains $N$ balls, $2$ of which are red. Balls are removed, one by one, (without replacement), stopping when both red balls have emerged. Find the probability that exactly $n$ balls are removed.




I'm honestly not sure where to even start. I know it's an intersection of ($1$ Red ball in $n-1$ attempts) and (red on $n$-th attempt).



I think the $Pr(textRed on;ntext-th attempt; | ;1 ; textRed already)$ is $$ frac1N-(n-1) $$ but I'm not sure for the other probability, or whether this one is correct for that matter.



Any help would be appreciated. :)










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A bag contains $N$ balls, $2$ of which are red. Balls are removed, one by one, (without replacement), stopping when both red balls have emerged. Find the probability that exactly $n$ balls are removed.




I'm honestly not sure where to even start. I know it's an intersection of ($1$ Red ball in $n-1$ attempts) and (red on $n$-th attempt).



I think the $Pr(textRed on;ntext-th attempt; | ;1 ; textRed already)$ is $$ frac1N-(n-1) $$ but I'm not sure for the other probability, or whether this one is correct for that matter.



Any help would be appreciated. :)







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    I guess you are thinking that before the $n$th draw, $n-1$ balls have already been drawn, leaving $N - (n-1)$ in the urn, if if one of the balls drawn was red, exactly one of the balls still in the urn is red. That seems correct to me.
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    I guess you are thinking that before the $n$th draw, $n-1$ balls have already been drawn, leaving $N - (n-1)$ in the urn, if if one of the balls drawn was red, exactly one of the balls still in the urn is red. That seems correct to me.
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I guess you are thinking that before the $n$th draw, $n-1$ balls have already been drawn, leaving $N - (n-1)$ in the urn, if if one of the balls drawn was red, exactly one of the balls still in the urn is red. That seems correct to me.
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I guess you are thinking that before the $n$th draw, $n-1$ balls have already been drawn, leaving $N - (n-1)$ in the urn, if if one of the balls drawn was red, exactly one of the balls still in the urn is red. That seems correct to me.
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You are definitely on track. In the first probability, order does not matter. You have drawn $n-1$ balls, and one of them is red. The total number of outcomes is the total number of ways to draw $n-1$ balls from $N$. The number of outcomes you are interested in are given by:



$$dbinom21dbinomN-2n-2$$



So, the probability that you have drawn exactly one red ball in the first $n-1$ draws is:



$$dfracdbinom21dbinomN-2n-2dbinomNn-1$$



Now, multiply by the probability that the last ball is red (you were correct):



$$dfrac1N-(n-1)$$



Final probability:



$$dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$






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    Order does not matter in the first probability because the result you are looking for is one red ball in $n-1$ picks. You do not care what position it is drawn in, just that it shows up. In general, the probability of an occurrence is given by $$dfractext# of outcomes with desired resulttext# of possible outcomes$$ To get the final probability, it was just multiplying out: $$dfracdbinom21dbinomN-2n-2dbinomNn-1cdot dfrac1N-(n-1) = dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$ I am not going through the steps to simplify, but that's the easy part :)
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    Alternatively, you want the probability for placing one red ball among the first $n-1$ positions and one in the next position, when selecting any two positions among $N$ to place the red balls. $$dfracdbinom n-11dbinom 11dbinom N2=dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$
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Here's another approach, depicted graphically below for $N = 8$.



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We can construct a grid, where the equiprobable slots are represented by squares, indexed by the sequence position of the two red balls. The X's down the diagonal indicate that the two red balls cannot occupy the same sequence position.



The result of the experiment is the maximum of the two positions; for instance, the cases where $n = 5$ are marked by a red $5$. From this it can be seen that there are $2n-2$ different squares where the number of balls drawn is $n$, out of a total of $N^2-N$ possible squares. Thus, the desired probability is



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This is a problem where it's easier to condition the other way: compute
$P(Acap B)=P(B)P(Amid B)$, where $B$ is the event that a red ball appears on draw $n$, and $A$ is the event that a red ball appears exactly once in the first $n-1$ draws.



The probability $P(B)$ equals $2/N$, since at any draw there are $2$ red balls out of a total of $N$ balls that could be picked.



The conditional probability $P(Amid B)$ equals $(n-1)/(N-1)$, since this is the same as the unconditional probability that when you line up $N-1$ balls, only one of which is red, the red appears somewhere in the first $n-1$ positions.






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    You are definitely on track. In the first probability, order does not matter. You have drawn $n-1$ balls, and one of them is red. The total number of outcomes is the total number of ways to draw $n-1$ balls from $N$. The number of outcomes you are interested in are given by:



    $$dbinom21dbinomN-2n-2$$



    So, the probability that you have drawn exactly one red ball in the first $n-1$ draws is:



    $$dfracdbinom21dbinomN-2n-2dbinomNn-1$$



    Now, multiply by the probability that the last ball is red (you were correct):



    $$dfrac1N-(n-1)$$



    Final probability:



    $$dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$






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      Thank you! Can I just ask, why does order matter? Also, how have you formed the fraction? Is there like a particular formula for doing so?
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      Order does not matter in the first probability because the result you are looking for is one red ball in $n-1$ picks. You do not care what position it is drawn in, just that it shows up. In general, the probability of an occurrence is given by $$dfractext# of outcomes with desired resulttext# of possible outcomes$$ To get the final probability, it was just multiplying out: $$dfracdbinom21dbinomN-2n-2dbinomNn-1cdot dfrac1N-(n-1) = dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$ I am not going through the steps to simplify, but that's the easy part :)
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      Thanks again! :)
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      Alternatively, you want the probability for placing one red ball among the first $n-1$ positions and one in the next position, when selecting any two positions among $N$ to place the red balls. $$dfracdbinom n-11dbinom 11dbinom N2=dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$
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    You are definitely on track. In the first probability, order does not matter. You have drawn $n-1$ balls, and one of them is red. The total number of outcomes is the total number of ways to draw $n-1$ balls from $N$. The number of outcomes you are interested in are given by:



    $$dbinom21dbinomN-2n-2$$



    So, the probability that you have drawn exactly one red ball in the first $n-1$ draws is:



    $$dfracdbinom21dbinomN-2n-2dbinomNn-1$$



    Now, multiply by the probability that the last ball is red (you were correct):



    $$dfrac1N-(n-1)$$



    Final probability:



    $$dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$






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      Order does not matter in the first probability because the result you are looking for is one red ball in $n-1$ picks. You do not care what position it is drawn in, just that it shows up. In general, the probability of an occurrence is given by $$dfractext# of outcomes with desired resulttext# of possible outcomes$$ To get the final probability, it was just multiplying out: $$dfracdbinom21dbinomN-2n-2dbinomNn-1cdot dfrac1N-(n-1) = dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$ I am not going through the steps to simplify, but that's the easy part :)
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      Thanks again! :)
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      Alternatively, you want the probability for placing one red ball among the first $n-1$ positions and one in the next position, when selecting any two positions among $N$ to place the red balls. $$dfracdbinom n-11dbinom 11dbinom N2=dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$
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    You are definitely on track. In the first probability, order does not matter. You have drawn $n-1$ balls, and one of them is red. The total number of outcomes is the total number of ways to draw $n-1$ balls from $N$. The number of outcomes you are interested in are given by:



    $$dbinom21dbinomN-2n-2$$



    So, the probability that you have drawn exactly one red ball in the first $n-1$ draws is:



    $$dfracdbinom21dbinomN-2n-2dbinomNn-1$$



    Now, multiply by the probability that the last ball is red (you were correct):



    $$dfrac1N-(n-1)$$



    Final probability:



    $$dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$






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    You are definitely on track. In the first probability, order does not matter. You have drawn $n-1$ balls, and one of them is red. The total number of outcomes is the total number of ways to draw $n-1$ balls from $N$. The number of outcomes you are interested in are given by:



    $$dbinom21dbinomN-2n-2$$



    So, the probability that you have drawn exactly one red ball in the first $n-1$ draws is:



    $$dfracdbinom21dbinomN-2n-2dbinomNn-1$$



    Now, multiply by the probability that the last ball is red (you were correct):



    $$dfrac1N-(n-1)$$



    Final probability:



    $$dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$







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      Order does not matter in the first probability because the result you are looking for is one red ball in $n-1$ picks. You do not care what position it is drawn in, just that it shows up. In general, the probability of an occurrence is given by $$dfractext# of outcomes with desired resulttext# of possible outcomes$$ To get the final probability, it was just multiplying out: $$dfracdbinom21dbinomN-2n-2dbinomNn-1cdot dfrac1N-(n-1) = dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$ I am not going through the steps to simplify, but that's the easy part :)
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      Thanks again! :)
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      Alternatively, you want the probability for placing one red ball among the first $n-1$ positions and one in the next position, when selecting any two positions among $N$ to place the red balls. $$dfracdbinom n-11dbinom 11dbinom N2=dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$
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      Thank you! Can I just ask, why does order matter? Also, how have you formed the fraction? Is there like a particular formula for doing so?
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      Order does not matter in the first probability because the result you are looking for is one red ball in $n-1$ picks. You do not care what position it is drawn in, just that it shows up. In general, the probability of an occurrence is given by $$dfractext# of outcomes with desired resulttext# of possible outcomes$$ To get the final probability, it was just multiplying out: $$dfracdbinom21dbinomN-2n-2dbinomNn-1cdot dfrac1N-(n-1) = dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$ I am not going through the steps to simplify, but that's the easy part :)
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      Thanks again! :)
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    • $begingroup$
      Alternatively, you want the probability for placing one red ball among the first $n-1$ positions and one in the next position, when selecting any two positions among $N$ to place the red balls. $$dfracdbinom n-11dbinom 11dbinom N2=dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$
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    Thank you! Can I just ask, why does order matter? Also, how have you formed the fraction? Is there like a particular formula for doing so?
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    Thank you! Can I just ask, why does order matter? Also, how have you formed the fraction? Is there like a particular formula for doing so?
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    Order does not matter in the first probability because the result you are looking for is one red ball in $n-1$ picks. You do not care what position it is drawn in, just that it shows up. In general, the probability of an occurrence is given by $$dfractext# of outcomes with desired resulttext# of possible outcomes$$ To get the final probability, it was just multiplying out: $$dfracdbinom21dbinomN-2n-2dbinomNn-1cdot dfrac1N-(n-1) = dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$ I am not going through the steps to simplify, but that's the easy part :)
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    Order does not matter in the first probability because the result you are looking for is one red ball in $n-1$ picks. You do not care what position it is drawn in, just that it shows up. In general, the probability of an occurrence is given by $$dfractext# of outcomes with desired resulttext# of possible outcomes$$ To get the final probability, it was just multiplying out: $$dfracdbinom21dbinomN-2n-2dbinomNn-1cdot dfrac1N-(n-1) = dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$ I am not going through the steps to simplify, but that's the easy part :)
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    Thanks again! :)
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    Thanks again! :)
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    $begingroup$
    Alternatively, you want the probability for placing one red ball among the first $n-1$ positions and one in the next position, when selecting any two positions among $N$ to place the red balls. $$dfracdbinom n-11dbinom 11dbinom N2=dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$
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    $begingroup$
    Alternatively, you want the probability for placing one red ball among the first $n-1$ positions and one in the next position, when selecting any two positions among $N$ to place the red balls. $$dfracdbinom n-11dbinom 11dbinom N2=dfrac2(n-1)N(N-1)$$
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    Here's another approach, depicted graphically below for $N = 8$.



    enter image description here



    We can construct a grid, where the equiprobable slots are represented by squares, indexed by the sequence position of the two red balls. The X's down the diagonal indicate that the two red balls cannot occupy the same sequence position.



    The result of the experiment is the maximum of the two positions; for instance, the cases where $n = 5$ are marked by a red $5$. From this it can be seen that there are $2n-2$ different squares where the number of balls drawn is $n$, out of a total of $N^2-N$ possible squares. Thus, the desired probability is



    $$
    frac2n-2N^2-N = frac2(n-1)N(N-1)
    $$



    as in InterstellarProbe's answer.






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    $begingroup$

    Here's another approach, depicted graphically below for $N = 8$.



    enter image description here



    We can construct a grid, where the equiprobable slots are represented by squares, indexed by the sequence position of the two red balls. The X's down the diagonal indicate that the two red balls cannot occupy the same sequence position.



    The result of the experiment is the maximum of the two positions; for instance, the cases where $n = 5$ are marked by a red $5$. From this it can be seen that there are $2n-2$ different squares where the number of balls drawn is $n$, out of a total of $N^2-N$ possible squares. Thus, the desired probability is



    $$
    frac2n-2N^2-N = frac2(n-1)N(N-1)
    $$



    as in InterstellarProbe's answer.






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    $begingroup$

    Here's another approach, depicted graphically below for $N = 8$.



    enter image description here



    We can construct a grid, where the equiprobable slots are represented by squares, indexed by the sequence position of the two red balls. The X's down the diagonal indicate that the two red balls cannot occupy the same sequence position.



    The result of the experiment is the maximum of the two positions; for instance, the cases where $n = 5$ are marked by a red $5$. From this it can be seen that there are $2n-2$ different squares where the number of balls drawn is $n$, out of a total of $N^2-N$ possible squares. Thus, the desired probability is



    $$
    frac2n-2N^2-N = frac2(n-1)N(N-1)
    $$



    as in InterstellarProbe's answer.






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    Here's another approach, depicted graphically below for $N = 8$.



    enter image description here



    We can construct a grid, where the equiprobable slots are represented by squares, indexed by the sequence position of the two red balls. The X's down the diagonal indicate that the two red balls cannot occupy the same sequence position.



    The result of the experiment is the maximum of the two positions; for instance, the cases where $n = 5$ are marked by a red $5$. From this it can be seen that there are $2n-2$ different squares where the number of balls drawn is $n$, out of a total of $N^2-N$ possible squares. Thus, the desired probability is



    $$
    frac2n-2N^2-N = frac2(n-1)N(N-1)
    $$



    as in InterstellarProbe's answer.







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    This is a problem where it's easier to condition the other way: compute
    $P(Acap B)=P(B)P(Amid B)$, where $B$ is the event that a red ball appears on draw $n$, and $A$ is the event that a red ball appears exactly once in the first $n-1$ draws.



    The probability $P(B)$ equals $2/N$, since at any draw there are $2$ red balls out of a total of $N$ balls that could be picked.



    The conditional probability $P(Amid B)$ equals $(n-1)/(N-1)$, since this is the same as the unconditional probability that when you line up $N-1$ balls, only one of which is red, the red appears somewhere in the first $n-1$ positions.






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      This is a problem where it's easier to condition the other way: compute
      $P(Acap B)=P(B)P(Amid B)$, where $B$ is the event that a red ball appears on draw $n$, and $A$ is the event that a red ball appears exactly once in the first $n-1$ draws.



      The probability $P(B)$ equals $2/N$, since at any draw there are $2$ red balls out of a total of $N$ balls that could be picked.



      The conditional probability $P(Amid B)$ equals $(n-1)/(N-1)$, since this is the same as the unconditional probability that when you line up $N-1$ balls, only one of which is red, the red appears somewhere in the first $n-1$ positions.






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        This is a problem where it's easier to condition the other way: compute
        $P(Acap B)=P(B)P(Amid B)$, where $B$ is the event that a red ball appears on draw $n$, and $A$ is the event that a red ball appears exactly once in the first $n-1$ draws.



        The probability $P(B)$ equals $2/N$, since at any draw there are $2$ red balls out of a total of $N$ balls that could be picked.



        The conditional probability $P(Amid B)$ equals $(n-1)/(N-1)$, since this is the same as the unconditional probability that when you line up $N-1$ balls, only one of which is red, the red appears somewhere in the first $n-1$ positions.






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        This is a problem where it's easier to condition the other way: compute
        $P(Acap B)=P(B)P(Amid B)$, where $B$ is the event that a red ball appears on draw $n$, and $A$ is the event that a red ball appears exactly once in the first $n-1$ draws.



        The probability $P(B)$ equals $2/N$, since at any draw there are $2$ red balls out of a total of $N$ balls that could be picked.



        The conditional probability $P(Amid B)$ equals $(n-1)/(N-1)$, since this is the same as the unconditional probability that when you line up $N-1$ balls, only one of which is red, the red appears somewhere in the first $n-1$ positions.







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