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Which “exotic salt” can lower water's freezing point by –70 °C?


When it rains, it puddles. Spilled salt cycles between wet and dry with humidity. Is this akin to a phase change?How can melting point equal freezing point?What non-toxic non-water substances have a freezing point very close to water's?Propose a chemical formula for the white solid that forms during the initial stages of the reaction of Sn with benzyl chlorideHow can water exist in three states in freezing point?How to determine which aqueous solution has the largest freezing point depressionCan any solute be used to lower the freezing point of water?Does this freezing point depression problem make sense?Freezing point of oxygen-18 waterDepression of freezing pointFreezing point depression of salt solutions













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The Medium.com article Mars Phoenix Lander, 10 Years Later shows several remarkable images and discoveries on Mars by the Mars Phoenix Lander circa 2008.



One image (shown below) shows what looks like droplets of liquid water, condensed on the surface of one of the lander's legs.



The article says (emphasis mine):




Shortly after landing, the camera on Phoenix’s robotic arm captured views of blobs of material on one of the landing struts. Over time, these blobs moved, darkened, and coalesced, behaving like droplets of liquid water. The hypothesis here was that these blobs “splashed up” on the struts when the descent thrusters melted the ice exposed upon landing mentioned above.



But if liquid water isn’t stable on the martian surface, how did Phoenix observe liquid water on Mars? The key here lies in salt. If you live anywhere that gets snow, you’re probably familiar with salt as a de-icer for roads, sidewalks, etc. Salt lowers the freezing point of water, allowing it to remain liquid at temperatures lower than that of non-salty water. For example, pure water freezes at 0 °C/32 °F, but ocean saltwater freezes around −2 °C/28.4 °F. While the de-icing salts you get at the hardware store lower the freezing point by a few degrees, more exotic salts can lower the freezing point as much as −70 °C/−89 °F! Phoenix discovered some of these exotic salts in the soil around the lander—in particular, magnesium perchlorate. (note, minor editorial changes have been made)





Question: Which "exotic salt" can lower water's freezing point by −70 °C?



Is it in fact magnesium perchlorate (which was found on Mars) or is it a different salt?




enter image description here




Blobs of possible brine (really salty water) imaged on one of Phoenix’s landing struts shortly after arriving on Mars. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona/Max Planck Institute











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    You know why freezing point of water is decreased by using salt? It is because of relative lowering in vapour pressure which depends on number of particles present in solution, it doesn't matter whatever sizes are or whatever the salt is, the necessary conditions are that the substance you are mixing must be non volatile and it must be a solution. So basically the more salt you mix the lower the freezing point is but there is a limit on how much you can mix salt in water. And freezing point is decreased by a few degrees only. -70° is like a dream. the text you are reading might be wrong.
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    @SauravSingh, vapor pressure has nothing to do with freezing point, though it does affect the boiling point.
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The Medium.com article Mars Phoenix Lander, 10 Years Later shows several remarkable images and discoveries on Mars by the Mars Phoenix Lander circa 2008.



One image (shown below) shows what looks like droplets of liquid water, condensed on the surface of one of the lander's legs.



The article says (emphasis mine):




Shortly after landing, the camera on Phoenix’s robotic arm captured views of blobs of material on one of the landing struts. Over time, these blobs moved, darkened, and coalesced, behaving like droplets of liquid water. The hypothesis here was that these blobs “splashed up” on the struts when the descent thrusters melted the ice exposed upon landing mentioned above.



But if liquid water isn’t stable on the martian surface, how did Phoenix observe liquid water on Mars? The key here lies in salt. If you live anywhere that gets snow, you’re probably familiar with salt as a de-icer for roads, sidewalks, etc. Salt lowers the freezing point of water, allowing it to remain liquid at temperatures lower than that of non-salty water. For example, pure water freezes at 0 °C/32 °F, but ocean saltwater freezes around −2 °C/28.4 °F. While the de-icing salts you get at the hardware store lower the freezing point by a few degrees, more exotic salts can lower the freezing point as much as −70 °C/−89 °F! Phoenix discovered some of these exotic salts in the soil around the lander—in particular, magnesium perchlorate. (note, minor editorial changes have been made)





Question: Which "exotic salt" can lower water's freezing point by −70 °C?



Is it in fact magnesium perchlorate (which was found on Mars) or is it a different salt?




enter image description here




Blobs of possible brine (really salty water) imaged on one of Phoenix’s landing struts shortly after arriving on Mars. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona/Max Planck Institute











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    You know why freezing point of water is decreased by using salt? It is because of relative lowering in vapour pressure which depends on number of particles present in solution, it doesn't matter whatever sizes are or whatever the salt is, the necessary conditions are that the substance you are mixing must be non volatile and it must be a solution. So basically the more salt you mix the lower the freezing point is but there is a limit on how much you can mix salt in water. And freezing point is decreased by a few degrees only. -70° is like a dream. the text you are reading might be wrong.
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    – Saurav Singh
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    Also -70 C seems awful cold for a super cooled liquid.
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    – MaxW
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    @SauravSingh, vapor pressure has nothing to do with freezing point, though it does affect the boiling point.
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    – DrMoishe Pippik
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    @andselisk the information within the quote might be (infinitesimally) more accurate, but it becomes a less accurate quote. I think altering text and presenting it as a quote without making note that it's been altered is a slippery slope. In the case of the block quote, you did not edit my post, you revised a third party's work.
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The Medium.com article Mars Phoenix Lander, 10 Years Later shows several remarkable images and discoveries on Mars by the Mars Phoenix Lander circa 2008.



One image (shown below) shows what looks like droplets of liquid water, condensed on the surface of one of the lander's legs.



The article says (emphasis mine):




Shortly after landing, the camera on Phoenix’s robotic arm captured views of blobs of material on one of the landing struts. Over time, these blobs moved, darkened, and coalesced, behaving like droplets of liquid water. The hypothesis here was that these blobs “splashed up” on the struts when the descent thrusters melted the ice exposed upon landing mentioned above.



But if liquid water isn’t stable on the martian surface, how did Phoenix observe liquid water on Mars? The key here lies in salt. If you live anywhere that gets snow, you’re probably familiar with salt as a de-icer for roads, sidewalks, etc. Salt lowers the freezing point of water, allowing it to remain liquid at temperatures lower than that of non-salty water. For example, pure water freezes at 0 °C/32 °F, but ocean saltwater freezes around −2 °C/28.4 °F. While the de-icing salts you get at the hardware store lower the freezing point by a few degrees, more exotic salts can lower the freezing point as much as −70 °C/−89 °F! Phoenix discovered some of these exotic salts in the soil around the lander—in particular, magnesium perchlorate. (note, minor editorial changes have been made)





Question: Which "exotic salt" can lower water's freezing point by −70 °C?



Is it in fact magnesium perchlorate (which was found on Mars) or is it a different salt?




enter image description here




Blobs of possible brine (really salty water) imaged on one of Phoenix’s landing struts shortly after arriving on Mars. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona/Max Planck Institute











share|improve this question











$endgroup$




The Medium.com article Mars Phoenix Lander, 10 Years Later shows several remarkable images and discoveries on Mars by the Mars Phoenix Lander circa 2008.



One image (shown below) shows what looks like droplets of liquid water, condensed on the surface of one of the lander's legs.



The article says (emphasis mine):




Shortly after landing, the camera on Phoenix’s robotic arm captured views of blobs of material on one of the landing struts. Over time, these blobs moved, darkened, and coalesced, behaving like droplets of liquid water. The hypothesis here was that these blobs “splashed up” on the struts when the descent thrusters melted the ice exposed upon landing mentioned above.



But if liquid water isn’t stable on the martian surface, how did Phoenix observe liquid water on Mars? The key here lies in salt. If you live anywhere that gets snow, you’re probably familiar with salt as a de-icer for roads, sidewalks, etc. Salt lowers the freezing point of water, allowing it to remain liquid at temperatures lower than that of non-salty water. For example, pure water freezes at 0 °C/32 °F, but ocean saltwater freezes around −2 °C/28.4 °F. While the de-icing salts you get at the hardware store lower the freezing point by a few degrees, more exotic salts can lower the freezing point as much as −70 °C/−89 °F! Phoenix discovered some of these exotic salts in the soil around the lander—in particular, magnesium perchlorate. (note, minor editorial changes have been made)





Question: Which "exotic salt" can lower water's freezing point by −70 °C?



Is it in fact magnesium perchlorate (which was found on Mars) or is it a different salt?




enter image description here




Blobs of possible brine (really salty water) imaged on one of Phoenix’s landing struts shortly after arriving on Mars. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona/Max Planck Institute








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    You know why freezing point of water is decreased by using salt? It is because of relative lowering in vapour pressure which depends on number of particles present in solution, it doesn't matter whatever sizes are or whatever the salt is, the necessary conditions are that the substance you are mixing must be non volatile and it must be a solution. So basically the more salt you mix the lower the freezing point is but there is a limit on how much you can mix salt in water. And freezing point is decreased by a few degrees only. -70° is like a dream. the text you are reading might be wrong.
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    @SauravSingh, vapor pressure has nothing to do with freezing point, though it does affect the boiling point.
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    – DrMoishe Pippik
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    @andselisk the information within the quote might be (infinitesimally) more accurate, but it becomes a less accurate quote. I think altering text and presenting it as a quote without making note that it's been altered is a slippery slope. In the case of the block quote, you did not edit my post, you revised a third party's work.
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    You know why freezing point of water is decreased by using salt? It is because of relative lowering in vapour pressure which depends on number of particles present in solution, it doesn't matter whatever sizes are or whatever the salt is, the necessary conditions are that the substance you are mixing must be non volatile and it must be a solution. So basically the more salt you mix the lower the freezing point is but there is a limit on how much you can mix salt in water. And freezing point is decreased by a few degrees only. -70° is like a dream. the text you are reading might be wrong.
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    Also -70 C seems awful cold for a super cooled liquid.
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    – MaxW
    2 hours ago






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    @SauravSingh, vapor pressure has nothing to do with freezing point, though it does affect the boiling point.
    $endgroup$
    – DrMoishe Pippik
    1 hour ago






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    $begingroup$
    @andselisk the information within the quote might be (infinitesimally) more accurate, but it becomes a less accurate quote. I think altering text and presenting it as a quote without making note that it's been altered is a slippery slope. In the case of the block quote, you did not edit my post, you revised a third party's work.
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You know why freezing point of water is decreased by using salt? It is because of relative lowering in vapour pressure which depends on number of particles present in solution, it doesn't matter whatever sizes are or whatever the salt is, the necessary conditions are that the substance you are mixing must be non volatile and it must be a solution. So basically the more salt you mix the lower the freezing point is but there is a limit on how much you can mix salt in water. And freezing point is decreased by a few degrees only. -70° is like a dream. the text you are reading might be wrong.
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Also -70 C seems awful cold for a super cooled liquid.
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@SauravSingh, vapor pressure has nothing to do with freezing point, though it does affect the boiling point.
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– DrMoishe Pippik
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@SauravSingh, vapor pressure has nothing to do with freezing point, though it does affect the boiling point.
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– DrMoishe Pippik
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@andselisk the information within the quote might be (infinitesimally) more accurate, but it becomes a less accurate quote. I think altering text and presenting it as a quote without making note that it's been altered is a slippery slope. In the case of the block quote, you did not edit my post, you revised a third party's work.
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I recently got a chance to attend a talk by someone who was working on developing analytical instrumentation on Mars. The interesting story is that the initial results by ion-selective electrode was that Mars soil is full of nitrates. Nobody knew on Earth that the nitrate ion selective electrode is far more responsive to perchlorate than nitrate. After learning this, it was an eye opener for analytical chemists! Now they wish to use chromatography rather than electrochemistry. So this was a good lesson for us on Earth.



Now that they know it is a perchlorate ion, people did some studies on supercooled brines. See this paper: The formation of supercooled brines, viscous liquids, and low-temperature perchlorate glasses in aqueous solutions relevant to Mars J.D. Toner, D.C. Catling, and B. Light, Icarus, 233, 1 May 2014, pp 36-47 (also available here). They clearly show that if calcium or magnesium perchlorates are slowly cooled, one can get supercooled brines up to -120 Celcius. This is a rather amazing finding. They call it a glassy state.






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Your Question: Which "exotic salt" can lower water's freezing point by $pu-70 ^circ C$?




Here is your "exotic compound" although it is not a salt by definition. It is a base: Aqua ammonia, also called ammoniacal liquor, ammonia liquor, or ammonia water, is produced by dissolving ammonia gas ($ceNH3$) in water. The proper chemical name of aqua ammonia is ammonium hydroxide ($ceNH4OH$), which is in following equilibrium with water:
$$ceNH3 + H2O <=> NH4+ + OH-$$



Ammonia is very soluble in water: According to Wikipedia, its solubility in water is $47% (w/w)$ at $pu0 ^circ C$, $31% (w/w)$ at $pu25 ^circ C$, and $18% (w/w)$ at $pu50 ^circ C$. Therefore it is ideal to cause large freezing point depression since its solubility increases with decreasing temperature. Now, let's see how are the freezing points of aqua ammonia solutions behave with increasing concentrations. The large scale manufacturer of aqua ammonia, Tanner Industries, listed following values of boiling and freezing points of various solutions in its Customer Manual:
$$
beginarrayccc \hline
% ceNH3 text (by weight) & textApprox. Boiling point & text Approx. Freezing point \hline
23.52 & pu103 ^circ F: (pu39.4 ^circ C) & pu-56 ^circ F: ( pu-48.9 ^circ C)\
25.48 & pu95 ^circ F: (pu35.0 ^circ C) & pu-69 ^circ F : ( pu-56.1 ^circ C)\
27.44 & pu88 ^circ F : (pu31.1 ^circ C) & pu-89 ^circ F: ( pu-67.2 ^circ C)\
29.40 & pu85 ^circ F: (pu29.4 ^circ C) & pu-110 ^circ F : ( pu-78.9 ^circ C)\
31.36 & pu73 ^circ F: (pu22.8 ^circ C) & pu-123 ^circ F : ( pu-86.1 ^circ C)\
33.32 & pu66 ^circ F : (pu18.9 ^circ C) & pu-148 ^circ F: ( pu-100 ^circ C)\hline
endarray
$$



Accordingly, anything between $29-33%$ of aqua ammonia solution would do the job. On the other hand, if you are looking for only a "exotic magic salt," then, don't look too far: Ammonium fluoride ($ceNH4F$) would do the job. The solubility of $ceNH4F$ in $pu100 mL$ of water is listed as $pu100 g$ at $pu0 ^circ C$ (Wikipedia). That's give you a $pu27.0 m$ solution at $pu0 ^circ C$. Theoretically, that would freeze at
$pu-100.4 ^circ C$! ($Delta T = pu27.0 m times 2 times pu-1.86 ^circ Cm^-1 = pu-100.4 ^circ C$)






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I recently got a chance to attend a talk by someone who was working on developing analytical instrumentation on Mars. The interesting story is that the initial results by ion-selective electrode was that Mars soil is full of nitrates. Nobody knew on Earth that the nitrate ion selective electrode is far more responsive to perchlorate than nitrate. After learning this, it was an eye opener for analytical chemists! Now they wish to use chromatography rather than electrochemistry. So this was a good lesson for us on Earth.



Now that they know it is a perchlorate ion, people did some studies on supercooled brines. See this paper: The formation of supercooled brines, viscous liquids, and low-temperature perchlorate glasses in aqueous solutions relevant to Mars J.D. Toner, D.C. Catling, and B. Light, Icarus, 233, 1 May 2014, pp 36-47 (also available here). They clearly show that if calcium or magnesium perchlorates are slowly cooled, one can get supercooled brines up to -120 Celcius. This is a rather amazing finding. They call it a glassy state.






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    "Nobody knew on Earth" (!!) Let's add this to the list of "Reasons to go to Mars" ;-)
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I recently got a chance to attend a talk by someone who was working on developing analytical instrumentation on Mars. The interesting story is that the initial results by ion-selective electrode was that Mars soil is full of nitrates. Nobody knew on Earth that the nitrate ion selective electrode is far more responsive to perchlorate than nitrate. After learning this, it was an eye opener for analytical chemists! Now they wish to use chromatography rather than electrochemistry. So this was a good lesson for us on Earth.



Now that they know it is a perchlorate ion, people did some studies on supercooled brines. See this paper: The formation of supercooled brines, viscous liquids, and low-temperature perchlorate glasses in aqueous solutions relevant to Mars J.D. Toner, D.C. Catling, and B. Light, Icarus, 233, 1 May 2014, pp 36-47 (also available here). They clearly show that if calcium or magnesium perchlorates are slowly cooled, one can get supercooled brines up to -120 Celcius. This is a rather amazing finding. They call it a glassy state.






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I recently got a chance to attend a talk by someone who was working on developing analytical instrumentation on Mars. The interesting story is that the initial results by ion-selective electrode was that Mars soil is full of nitrates. Nobody knew on Earth that the nitrate ion selective electrode is far more responsive to perchlorate than nitrate. After learning this, it was an eye opener for analytical chemists! Now they wish to use chromatography rather than electrochemistry. So this was a good lesson for us on Earth.



Now that they know it is a perchlorate ion, people did some studies on supercooled brines. See this paper: The formation of supercooled brines, viscous liquids, and low-temperature perchlorate glasses in aqueous solutions relevant to Mars J.D. Toner, D.C. Catling, and B. Light, Icarus, 233, 1 May 2014, pp 36-47 (also available here). They clearly show that if calcium or magnesium perchlorates are slowly cooled, one can get supercooled brines up to -120 Celcius. This is a rather amazing finding. They call it a glassy state.






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I recently got a chance to attend a talk by someone who was working on developing analytical instrumentation on Mars. The interesting story is that the initial results by ion-selective electrode was that Mars soil is full of nitrates. Nobody knew on Earth that the nitrate ion selective electrode is far more responsive to perchlorate than nitrate. After learning this, it was an eye opener for analytical chemists! Now they wish to use chromatography rather than electrochemistry. So this was a good lesson for us on Earth.



Now that they know it is a perchlorate ion, people did some studies on supercooled brines. See this paper: The formation of supercooled brines, viscous liquids, and low-temperature perchlorate glasses in aqueous solutions relevant to Mars J.D. Toner, D.C. Catling, and B. Light, Icarus, 233, 1 May 2014, pp 36-47 (also available here). They clearly show that if calcium or magnesium perchlorates are slowly cooled, one can get supercooled brines up to -120 Celcius. This is a rather amazing finding. They call it a glassy state.







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    "Nobody knew on Earth" (!!) Let's add this to the list of "Reasons to go to Mars" ;-)
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    Yes it was a surprising finding because everyone used nitrate selective electrodes without ever realizing that it also responds to perchlorate far more effectively.
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    "Nobody knew on Earth" (!!) Let's add this to the list of "Reasons to go to Mars" ;-)
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    Yes it was a surprising finding because everyone used nitrate selective electrodes without ever realizing that it also responds to perchlorate far more effectively.
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"Nobody knew on Earth" (!!) Let's add this to the list of "Reasons to go to Mars" ;-)
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Yes it was a surprising finding because everyone used nitrate selective electrodes without ever realizing that it also responds to perchlorate far more effectively.
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Your Question: Which "exotic salt" can lower water's freezing point by $pu-70 ^circ C$?




Here is your "exotic compound" although it is not a salt by definition. It is a base: Aqua ammonia, also called ammoniacal liquor, ammonia liquor, or ammonia water, is produced by dissolving ammonia gas ($ceNH3$) in water. The proper chemical name of aqua ammonia is ammonium hydroxide ($ceNH4OH$), which is in following equilibrium with water:
$$ceNH3 + H2O <=> NH4+ + OH-$$



Ammonia is very soluble in water: According to Wikipedia, its solubility in water is $47% (w/w)$ at $pu0 ^circ C$, $31% (w/w)$ at $pu25 ^circ C$, and $18% (w/w)$ at $pu50 ^circ C$. Therefore it is ideal to cause large freezing point depression since its solubility increases with decreasing temperature. Now, let's see how are the freezing points of aqua ammonia solutions behave with increasing concentrations. The large scale manufacturer of aqua ammonia, Tanner Industries, listed following values of boiling and freezing points of various solutions in its Customer Manual:
$$
beginarrayccc \hline
% ceNH3 text (by weight) & textApprox. Boiling point & text Approx. Freezing point \hline
23.52 & pu103 ^circ F: (pu39.4 ^circ C) & pu-56 ^circ F: ( pu-48.9 ^circ C)\
25.48 & pu95 ^circ F: (pu35.0 ^circ C) & pu-69 ^circ F : ( pu-56.1 ^circ C)\
27.44 & pu88 ^circ F : (pu31.1 ^circ C) & pu-89 ^circ F: ( pu-67.2 ^circ C)\
29.40 & pu85 ^circ F: (pu29.4 ^circ C) & pu-110 ^circ F : ( pu-78.9 ^circ C)\
31.36 & pu73 ^circ F: (pu22.8 ^circ C) & pu-123 ^circ F : ( pu-86.1 ^circ C)\
33.32 & pu66 ^circ F : (pu18.9 ^circ C) & pu-148 ^circ F: ( pu-100 ^circ C)\hline
endarray
$$



Accordingly, anything between $29-33%$ of aqua ammonia solution would do the job. On the other hand, if you are looking for only a "exotic magic salt," then, don't look too far: Ammonium fluoride ($ceNH4F$) would do the job. The solubility of $ceNH4F$ in $pu100 mL$ of water is listed as $pu100 g$ at $pu0 ^circ C$ (Wikipedia). That's give you a $pu27.0 m$ solution at $pu0 ^circ C$. Theoretically, that would freeze at
$pu-100.4 ^circ C$! ($Delta T = pu27.0 m times 2 times pu-1.86 ^circ Cm^-1 = pu-100.4 ^circ C$)






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Your Question: Which "exotic salt" can lower water's freezing point by $pu-70 ^circ C$?




Here is your "exotic compound" although it is not a salt by definition. It is a base: Aqua ammonia, also called ammoniacal liquor, ammonia liquor, or ammonia water, is produced by dissolving ammonia gas ($ceNH3$) in water. The proper chemical name of aqua ammonia is ammonium hydroxide ($ceNH4OH$), which is in following equilibrium with water:
$$ceNH3 + H2O <=> NH4+ + OH-$$



Ammonia is very soluble in water: According to Wikipedia, its solubility in water is $47% (w/w)$ at $pu0 ^circ C$, $31% (w/w)$ at $pu25 ^circ C$, and $18% (w/w)$ at $pu50 ^circ C$. Therefore it is ideal to cause large freezing point depression since its solubility increases with decreasing temperature. Now, let's see how are the freezing points of aqua ammonia solutions behave with increasing concentrations. The large scale manufacturer of aqua ammonia, Tanner Industries, listed following values of boiling and freezing points of various solutions in its Customer Manual:
$$
beginarrayccc \hline
% ceNH3 text (by weight) & textApprox. Boiling point & text Approx. Freezing point \hline
23.52 & pu103 ^circ F: (pu39.4 ^circ C) & pu-56 ^circ F: ( pu-48.9 ^circ C)\
25.48 & pu95 ^circ F: (pu35.0 ^circ C) & pu-69 ^circ F : ( pu-56.1 ^circ C)\
27.44 & pu88 ^circ F : (pu31.1 ^circ C) & pu-89 ^circ F: ( pu-67.2 ^circ C)\
29.40 & pu85 ^circ F: (pu29.4 ^circ C) & pu-110 ^circ F : ( pu-78.9 ^circ C)\
31.36 & pu73 ^circ F: (pu22.8 ^circ C) & pu-123 ^circ F : ( pu-86.1 ^circ C)\
33.32 & pu66 ^circ F : (pu18.9 ^circ C) & pu-148 ^circ F: ( pu-100 ^circ C)\hline
endarray
$$



Accordingly, anything between $29-33%$ of aqua ammonia solution would do the job. On the other hand, if you are looking for only a "exotic magic salt," then, don't look too far: Ammonium fluoride ($ceNH4F$) would do the job. The solubility of $ceNH4F$ in $pu100 mL$ of water is listed as $pu100 g$ at $pu0 ^circ C$ (Wikipedia). That's give you a $pu27.0 m$ solution at $pu0 ^circ C$. Theoretically, that would freeze at
$pu-100.4 ^circ C$! ($Delta T = pu27.0 m times 2 times pu-1.86 ^circ Cm^-1 = pu-100.4 ^circ C$)






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Your Question: Which "exotic salt" can lower water's freezing point by $pu-70 ^circ C$?




Here is your "exotic compound" although it is not a salt by definition. It is a base: Aqua ammonia, also called ammoniacal liquor, ammonia liquor, or ammonia water, is produced by dissolving ammonia gas ($ceNH3$) in water. The proper chemical name of aqua ammonia is ammonium hydroxide ($ceNH4OH$), which is in following equilibrium with water:
$$ceNH3 + H2O <=> NH4+ + OH-$$



Ammonia is very soluble in water: According to Wikipedia, its solubility in water is $47% (w/w)$ at $pu0 ^circ C$, $31% (w/w)$ at $pu25 ^circ C$, and $18% (w/w)$ at $pu50 ^circ C$. Therefore it is ideal to cause large freezing point depression since its solubility increases with decreasing temperature. Now, let's see how are the freezing points of aqua ammonia solutions behave with increasing concentrations. The large scale manufacturer of aqua ammonia, Tanner Industries, listed following values of boiling and freezing points of various solutions in its Customer Manual:
$$
beginarrayccc \hline
% ceNH3 text (by weight) & textApprox. Boiling point & text Approx. Freezing point \hline
23.52 & pu103 ^circ F: (pu39.4 ^circ C) & pu-56 ^circ F: ( pu-48.9 ^circ C)\
25.48 & pu95 ^circ F: (pu35.0 ^circ C) & pu-69 ^circ F : ( pu-56.1 ^circ C)\
27.44 & pu88 ^circ F : (pu31.1 ^circ C) & pu-89 ^circ F: ( pu-67.2 ^circ C)\
29.40 & pu85 ^circ F: (pu29.4 ^circ C) & pu-110 ^circ F : ( pu-78.9 ^circ C)\
31.36 & pu73 ^circ F: (pu22.8 ^circ C) & pu-123 ^circ F : ( pu-86.1 ^circ C)\
33.32 & pu66 ^circ F : (pu18.9 ^circ C) & pu-148 ^circ F: ( pu-100 ^circ C)\hline
endarray
$$



Accordingly, anything between $29-33%$ of aqua ammonia solution would do the job. On the other hand, if you are looking for only a "exotic magic salt," then, don't look too far: Ammonium fluoride ($ceNH4F$) would do the job. The solubility of $ceNH4F$ in $pu100 mL$ of water is listed as $pu100 g$ at $pu0 ^circ C$ (Wikipedia). That's give you a $pu27.0 m$ solution at $pu0 ^circ C$. Theoretically, that would freeze at
$pu-100.4 ^circ C$! ($Delta T = pu27.0 m times 2 times pu-1.86 ^circ Cm^-1 = pu-100.4 ^circ C$)






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Your Question: Which "exotic salt" can lower water's freezing point by $pu-70 ^circ C$?




Here is your "exotic compound" although it is not a salt by definition. It is a base: Aqua ammonia, also called ammoniacal liquor, ammonia liquor, or ammonia water, is produced by dissolving ammonia gas ($ceNH3$) in water. The proper chemical name of aqua ammonia is ammonium hydroxide ($ceNH4OH$), which is in following equilibrium with water:
$$ceNH3 + H2O <=> NH4+ + OH-$$



Ammonia is very soluble in water: According to Wikipedia, its solubility in water is $47% (w/w)$ at $pu0 ^circ C$, $31% (w/w)$ at $pu25 ^circ C$, and $18% (w/w)$ at $pu50 ^circ C$. Therefore it is ideal to cause large freezing point depression since its solubility increases with decreasing temperature. Now, let's see how are the freezing points of aqua ammonia solutions behave with increasing concentrations. The large scale manufacturer of aqua ammonia, Tanner Industries, listed following values of boiling and freezing points of various solutions in its Customer Manual:
$$
beginarrayccc \hline
% ceNH3 text (by weight) & textApprox. Boiling point & text Approx. Freezing point \hline
23.52 & pu103 ^circ F: (pu39.4 ^circ C) & pu-56 ^circ F: ( pu-48.9 ^circ C)\
25.48 & pu95 ^circ F: (pu35.0 ^circ C) & pu-69 ^circ F : ( pu-56.1 ^circ C)\
27.44 & pu88 ^circ F : (pu31.1 ^circ C) & pu-89 ^circ F: ( pu-67.2 ^circ C)\
29.40 & pu85 ^circ F: (pu29.4 ^circ C) & pu-110 ^circ F : ( pu-78.9 ^circ C)\
31.36 & pu73 ^circ F: (pu22.8 ^circ C) & pu-123 ^circ F : ( pu-86.1 ^circ C)\
33.32 & pu66 ^circ F : (pu18.9 ^circ C) & pu-148 ^circ F: ( pu-100 ^circ C)\hline
endarray
$$



Accordingly, anything between $29-33%$ of aqua ammonia solution would do the job. On the other hand, if you are looking for only a "exotic magic salt," then, don't look too far: Ammonium fluoride ($ceNH4F$) would do the job. The solubility of $ceNH4F$ in $pu100 mL$ of water is listed as $pu100 g$ at $pu0 ^circ C$ (Wikipedia). That's give you a $pu27.0 m$ solution at $pu0 ^circ C$. Theoretically, that would freeze at
$pu-100.4 ^circ C$! ($Delta T = pu27.0 m times 2 times pu-1.86 ^circ Cm^-1 = pu-100.4 ^circ C$)







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    I made the correction at the end! :-)
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I made the correction at the end! :-)
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