What's this thing which looks like a water sensor inside a PC mouse?Silicone rubber keypad PCB designidentifying transistor(?) : C945 P73CWhat type of plug is this (looks like mini din 4 pin)What type of connector is this? Looks like two pins but is only oneWhat component is this (not a capacitor but looks like it)?What is this 4-lead component that looks like enamelled wire?Identifying mystery dual channel opto detector?What is this connector called that looks like a small mono audio jack?Can anybody identify this SiTel IC
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What's this thing which looks like a water sensor inside a PC mouse?
Silicone rubber keypad PCB designidentifying transistor(?) : C945 P73CWhat type of plug is this (looks like mini din 4 pin)What type of connector is this? Looks like two pins but is only oneWhat component is this (not a capacitor but looks like it)?What is this 4-lead component that looks like enamelled wire?Identifying mystery dual channel opto detector?What is this connector called that looks like a small mono audio jack?Can anybody identify this SiTel IC
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I found an old optical PC mouse, and decided to check what's inside. Everything seemed as usual, but there is a component I've never seen in other mice, and I don't understand its purpose (see photo below).
It looks a lot like a water sensor. However, I don't see the point of having a water sensor inside the mouse: it's not like it is an object which frequently gets some water inside.
The resistance at the edges of each “Ш” is 350 Ω. The first connector goes to left, right and middle buttons of the mouse. The second connector goes to an integrated circuit.
So what is this thing?
identification
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I found an old optical PC mouse, and decided to check what's inside. Everything seemed as usual, but there is a component I've never seen in other mice, and I don't understand its purpose (see photo below).
It looks a lot like a water sensor. However, I don't see the point of having a water sensor inside the mouse: it's not like it is an object which frequently gets some water inside.
The resistance at the edges of each “Ш” is 350 Ω. The first connector goes to left, right and middle buttons of the mouse. The second connector goes to an integrated circuit.
So what is this thing?
identification
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Was there anything mechanical mounted over this? It looks a bit like contacts for a button. The black surface could be carbon conductive ink.
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– Jack B
16 hours ago
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More info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_rubber_keypad
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– Bimpelrekkie
16 hours ago
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related: Silicone rubber keypad PCB design
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– Nick Alexeev♦
8 hours ago
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I found an old optical PC mouse, and decided to check what's inside. Everything seemed as usual, but there is a component I've never seen in other mice, and I don't understand its purpose (see photo below).
It looks a lot like a water sensor. However, I don't see the point of having a water sensor inside the mouse: it's not like it is an object which frequently gets some water inside.
The resistance at the edges of each “Ш” is 350 Ω. The first connector goes to left, right and middle buttons of the mouse. The second connector goes to an integrated circuit.
So what is this thing?
identification
$endgroup$
I found an old optical PC mouse, and decided to check what's inside. Everything seemed as usual, but there is a component I've never seen in other mice, and I don't understand its purpose (see photo below).
It looks a lot like a water sensor. However, I don't see the point of having a water sensor inside the mouse: it's not like it is an object which frequently gets some water inside.
The resistance at the edges of each “Ш” is 350 Ω. The first connector goes to left, right and middle buttons of the mouse. The second connector goes to an integrated circuit.
So what is this thing?
identification
identification
asked 16 hours ago
Arseni MourzenkoArseni Mourzenko
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Was there anything mechanical mounted over this? It looks a bit like contacts for a button. The black surface could be carbon conductive ink.
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– Jack B
16 hours ago
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More info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_rubber_keypad
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– Bimpelrekkie
16 hours ago
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related: Silicone rubber keypad PCB design
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– Nick Alexeev♦
8 hours ago
add a comment |
8
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Was there anything mechanical mounted over this? It looks a bit like contacts for a button. The black surface could be carbon conductive ink.
$endgroup$
– Jack B
16 hours ago
3
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More info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_rubber_keypad
$endgroup$
– Bimpelrekkie
16 hours ago
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related: Silicone rubber keypad PCB design
$endgroup$
– Nick Alexeev♦
8 hours ago
8
8
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Was there anything mechanical mounted over this? It looks a bit like contacts for a button. The black surface could be carbon conductive ink.
$endgroup$
– Jack B
16 hours ago
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Was there anything mechanical mounted over this? It looks a bit like contacts for a button. The black surface could be carbon conductive ink.
$endgroup$
– Jack B
16 hours ago
3
3
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More info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_rubber_keypad
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– Bimpelrekkie
16 hours ago
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More info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_rubber_keypad
$endgroup$
– Bimpelrekkie
16 hours ago
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related: Silicone rubber keypad PCB design
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– Nick Alexeev♦
8 hours ago
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related: Silicone rubber keypad PCB design
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– Nick Alexeev♦
8 hours ago
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The other answer was correct in identification.
It's the bottom half of a momentary contact switch.
It uses printed polymer-carbon conductor in a comb pattern to maximize detection from any vector centre force from a flexible conductive membrane push-button contact.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
The quality of these switches demands acute attention to the design of low release of particles from the moving carbonized surface attached to an aggressive user. So unlike mechanical switches must experience a wide range of forces with mechanical limiters yet with tactile feedback.
It looks like an interdigital piezo filter, or microwave comb filter but it's just TWO carbon resistors in a polymer binder contact switch.
The top mating contact curved elastic smooth conductive-surface is expected to be at least wider than the carbon gaps but anywhere inside the pink zone.
With excess force, it may cover more area ( unnecessarily), unless there is a lack of mating carbon from the moving part which now has shed contaminant carbon particles in the FR4 surface insulation and may eventually fail. So this solution comes only after extreme careful engineering with chemistry and physics to achieve a reliable cheap solution.
The surface shown is usually printed with ink-jet technology or possibly older methods of silk-screen technology but higher maintenance cleaning costs.
But the silicone-carbon composite membrane not shown is also critical but can make for the most reliable devices, with lifetimes greater than 10^7 cycles at 5% strain.
ref
But this leaves an ESD path for failure if not properly designed for punch-thru dielectric breakdown and discharge bypassing.
is not a trivial design.
The importance of this component to reliable operation and EVERY new design is to verify reliability until failure to establish confidence using every simulation of random robotic keystrokes and also ESD tests to failure. This is mandatory design process is called Design Verification DVT with MTBF tests.
Confidence levels of 95% at rated MTBF is normal practice by accelerated life tests to failure.
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I love how you can "simulate this circuit" that you designed, it is obviously very advanced!
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– pipe
15 hours ago
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it's clever Asian copycat looking symbol
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– Sunnyskyguy EE75
15 hours ago
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These aren't common on mice - was it a radio mouse? I've seen them used for the button to connect to the receiver and things like that
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– Chris H
14 hours ago
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The premature failures of a car-wash kiosk in Toronto 10 yrs ago with the membrane bubble switch turned into target practice with pen tips to make contact after not getting their ticket printed after pre-paying reminds me of the consequences of the designer not doing MTBF reliability tests before releasing the product. Designers !! Remember to do DVT with ESD and mechanical life testing before final design release..!!
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– Sunnyskyguy EE75
14 hours ago
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The reason it is old technology is this cheaper design cannot possibly be as reliable as the best membrane switch placed on PCB where the OEM has done all the life tests to validate the design MTBF. But it is cheap.
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
14 hours ago
add a comment |
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This is a simple switch (push button type). These were used in older remote controls.
Nowadays we've replaced them with tactile push buttons for compactness.
$endgroup$
5
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You forget to mention that this works with a conductive pad which is pressed against this structure. Also it is still used in many modern devices as it is a very cheap solution.
$endgroup$
– Bimpelrekkie
16 hours ago
add a comment |
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The other answer was correct in identification.
It's the bottom half of a momentary contact switch.
It uses printed polymer-carbon conductor in a comb pattern to maximize detection from any vector centre force from a flexible conductive membrane push-button contact.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
The quality of these switches demands acute attention to the design of low release of particles from the moving carbonized surface attached to an aggressive user. So unlike mechanical switches must experience a wide range of forces with mechanical limiters yet with tactile feedback.
It looks like an interdigital piezo filter, or microwave comb filter but it's just TWO carbon resistors in a polymer binder contact switch.
The top mating contact curved elastic smooth conductive-surface is expected to be at least wider than the carbon gaps but anywhere inside the pink zone.
With excess force, it may cover more area ( unnecessarily), unless there is a lack of mating carbon from the moving part which now has shed contaminant carbon particles in the FR4 surface insulation and may eventually fail. So this solution comes only after extreme careful engineering with chemistry and physics to achieve a reliable cheap solution.
The surface shown is usually printed with ink-jet technology or possibly older methods of silk-screen technology but higher maintenance cleaning costs.
But the silicone-carbon composite membrane not shown is also critical but can make for the most reliable devices, with lifetimes greater than 10^7 cycles at 5% strain.
ref
But this leaves an ESD path for failure if not properly designed for punch-thru dielectric breakdown and discharge bypassing.
is not a trivial design.
The importance of this component to reliable operation and EVERY new design is to verify reliability until failure to establish confidence using every simulation of random robotic keystrokes and also ESD tests to failure. This is mandatory design process is called Design Verification DVT with MTBF tests.
Confidence levels of 95% at rated MTBF is normal practice by accelerated life tests to failure.
$endgroup$
4
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I love how you can "simulate this circuit" that you designed, it is obviously very advanced!
$endgroup$
– pipe
15 hours ago
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it's clever Asian copycat looking symbol
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
15 hours ago
$begingroup$
These aren't common on mice - was it a radio mouse? I've seen them used for the button to connect to the receiver and things like that
$endgroup$
– Chris H
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
The premature failures of a car-wash kiosk in Toronto 10 yrs ago with the membrane bubble switch turned into target practice with pen tips to make contact after not getting their ticket printed after pre-paying reminds me of the consequences of the designer not doing MTBF reliability tests before releasing the product. Designers !! Remember to do DVT with ESD and mechanical life testing before final design release..!!
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
The reason it is old technology is this cheaper design cannot possibly be as reliable as the best membrane switch placed on PCB where the OEM has done all the life tests to validate the design MTBF. But it is cheap.
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
14 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The other answer was correct in identification.
It's the bottom half of a momentary contact switch.
It uses printed polymer-carbon conductor in a comb pattern to maximize detection from any vector centre force from a flexible conductive membrane push-button contact.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
The quality of these switches demands acute attention to the design of low release of particles from the moving carbonized surface attached to an aggressive user. So unlike mechanical switches must experience a wide range of forces with mechanical limiters yet with tactile feedback.
It looks like an interdigital piezo filter, or microwave comb filter but it's just TWO carbon resistors in a polymer binder contact switch.
The top mating contact curved elastic smooth conductive-surface is expected to be at least wider than the carbon gaps but anywhere inside the pink zone.
With excess force, it may cover more area ( unnecessarily), unless there is a lack of mating carbon from the moving part which now has shed contaminant carbon particles in the FR4 surface insulation and may eventually fail. So this solution comes only after extreme careful engineering with chemistry and physics to achieve a reliable cheap solution.
The surface shown is usually printed with ink-jet technology or possibly older methods of silk-screen technology but higher maintenance cleaning costs.
But the silicone-carbon composite membrane not shown is also critical but can make for the most reliable devices, with lifetimes greater than 10^7 cycles at 5% strain.
ref
But this leaves an ESD path for failure if not properly designed for punch-thru dielectric breakdown and discharge bypassing.
is not a trivial design.
The importance of this component to reliable operation and EVERY new design is to verify reliability until failure to establish confidence using every simulation of random robotic keystrokes and also ESD tests to failure. This is mandatory design process is called Design Verification DVT with MTBF tests.
Confidence levels of 95% at rated MTBF is normal practice by accelerated life tests to failure.
$endgroup$
4
$begingroup$
I love how you can "simulate this circuit" that you designed, it is obviously very advanced!
$endgroup$
– pipe
15 hours ago
$begingroup$
it's clever Asian copycat looking symbol
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
15 hours ago
$begingroup$
These aren't common on mice - was it a radio mouse? I've seen them used for the button to connect to the receiver and things like that
$endgroup$
– Chris H
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
The premature failures of a car-wash kiosk in Toronto 10 yrs ago with the membrane bubble switch turned into target practice with pen tips to make contact after not getting their ticket printed after pre-paying reminds me of the consequences of the designer not doing MTBF reliability tests before releasing the product. Designers !! Remember to do DVT with ESD and mechanical life testing before final design release..!!
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
The reason it is old technology is this cheaper design cannot possibly be as reliable as the best membrane switch placed on PCB where the OEM has done all the life tests to validate the design MTBF. But it is cheap.
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
14 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The other answer was correct in identification.
It's the bottom half of a momentary contact switch.
It uses printed polymer-carbon conductor in a comb pattern to maximize detection from any vector centre force from a flexible conductive membrane push-button contact.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
The quality of these switches demands acute attention to the design of low release of particles from the moving carbonized surface attached to an aggressive user. So unlike mechanical switches must experience a wide range of forces with mechanical limiters yet with tactile feedback.
It looks like an interdigital piezo filter, or microwave comb filter but it's just TWO carbon resistors in a polymer binder contact switch.
The top mating contact curved elastic smooth conductive-surface is expected to be at least wider than the carbon gaps but anywhere inside the pink zone.
With excess force, it may cover more area ( unnecessarily), unless there is a lack of mating carbon from the moving part which now has shed contaminant carbon particles in the FR4 surface insulation and may eventually fail. So this solution comes only after extreme careful engineering with chemistry and physics to achieve a reliable cheap solution.
The surface shown is usually printed with ink-jet technology or possibly older methods of silk-screen technology but higher maintenance cleaning costs.
But the silicone-carbon composite membrane not shown is also critical but can make for the most reliable devices, with lifetimes greater than 10^7 cycles at 5% strain.
ref
But this leaves an ESD path for failure if not properly designed for punch-thru dielectric breakdown and discharge bypassing.
is not a trivial design.
The importance of this component to reliable operation and EVERY new design is to verify reliability until failure to establish confidence using every simulation of random robotic keystrokes and also ESD tests to failure. This is mandatory design process is called Design Verification DVT with MTBF tests.
Confidence levels of 95% at rated MTBF is normal practice by accelerated life tests to failure.
$endgroup$
The other answer was correct in identification.
It's the bottom half of a momentary contact switch.
It uses printed polymer-carbon conductor in a comb pattern to maximize detection from any vector centre force from a flexible conductive membrane push-button contact.
simulate this circuit – Schematic created using CircuitLab
The quality of these switches demands acute attention to the design of low release of particles from the moving carbonized surface attached to an aggressive user. So unlike mechanical switches must experience a wide range of forces with mechanical limiters yet with tactile feedback.
It looks like an interdigital piezo filter, or microwave comb filter but it's just TWO carbon resistors in a polymer binder contact switch.
The top mating contact curved elastic smooth conductive-surface is expected to be at least wider than the carbon gaps but anywhere inside the pink zone.
With excess force, it may cover more area ( unnecessarily), unless there is a lack of mating carbon from the moving part which now has shed contaminant carbon particles in the FR4 surface insulation and may eventually fail. So this solution comes only after extreme careful engineering with chemistry and physics to achieve a reliable cheap solution.
The surface shown is usually printed with ink-jet technology or possibly older methods of silk-screen technology but higher maintenance cleaning costs.
But the silicone-carbon composite membrane not shown is also critical but can make for the most reliable devices, with lifetimes greater than 10^7 cycles at 5% strain.
ref
But this leaves an ESD path for failure if not properly designed for punch-thru dielectric breakdown and discharge bypassing.
is not a trivial design.
The importance of this component to reliable operation and EVERY new design is to verify reliability until failure to establish confidence using every simulation of random robotic keystrokes and also ESD tests to failure. This is mandatory design process is called Design Verification DVT with MTBF tests.
Confidence levels of 95% at rated MTBF is normal practice by accelerated life tests to failure.
edited 14 hours ago
answered 15 hours ago
Sunnyskyguy EE75Sunnyskyguy EE75
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I love how you can "simulate this circuit" that you designed, it is obviously very advanced!
$endgroup$
– pipe
15 hours ago
$begingroup$
it's clever Asian copycat looking symbol
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
15 hours ago
$begingroup$
These aren't common on mice - was it a radio mouse? I've seen them used for the button to connect to the receiver and things like that
$endgroup$
– Chris H
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
The premature failures of a car-wash kiosk in Toronto 10 yrs ago with the membrane bubble switch turned into target practice with pen tips to make contact after not getting their ticket printed after pre-paying reminds me of the consequences of the designer not doing MTBF reliability tests before releasing the product. Designers !! Remember to do DVT with ESD and mechanical life testing before final design release..!!
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
The reason it is old technology is this cheaper design cannot possibly be as reliable as the best membrane switch placed on PCB where the OEM has done all the life tests to validate the design MTBF. But it is cheap.
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
14 hours ago
add a comment |
4
$begingroup$
I love how you can "simulate this circuit" that you designed, it is obviously very advanced!
$endgroup$
– pipe
15 hours ago
$begingroup$
it's clever Asian copycat looking symbol
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
15 hours ago
$begingroup$
These aren't common on mice - was it a radio mouse? I've seen them used for the button to connect to the receiver and things like that
$endgroup$
– Chris H
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
The premature failures of a car-wash kiosk in Toronto 10 yrs ago with the membrane bubble switch turned into target practice with pen tips to make contact after not getting their ticket printed after pre-paying reminds me of the consequences of the designer not doing MTBF reliability tests before releasing the product. Designers !! Remember to do DVT with ESD and mechanical life testing before final design release..!!
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
The reason it is old technology is this cheaper design cannot possibly be as reliable as the best membrane switch placed on PCB where the OEM has done all the life tests to validate the design MTBF. But it is cheap.
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
14 hours ago
4
4
$begingroup$
I love how you can "simulate this circuit" that you designed, it is obviously very advanced!
$endgroup$
– pipe
15 hours ago
$begingroup$
I love how you can "simulate this circuit" that you designed, it is obviously very advanced!
$endgroup$
– pipe
15 hours ago
$begingroup$
it's clever Asian copycat looking symbol
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
15 hours ago
$begingroup$
it's clever Asian copycat looking symbol
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
15 hours ago
$begingroup$
These aren't common on mice - was it a radio mouse? I've seen them used for the button to connect to the receiver and things like that
$endgroup$
– Chris H
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
These aren't common on mice - was it a radio mouse? I've seen them used for the button to connect to the receiver and things like that
$endgroup$
– Chris H
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
The premature failures of a car-wash kiosk in Toronto 10 yrs ago with the membrane bubble switch turned into target practice with pen tips to make contact after not getting their ticket printed after pre-paying reminds me of the consequences of the designer not doing MTBF reliability tests before releasing the product. Designers !! Remember to do DVT with ESD and mechanical life testing before final design release..!!
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
The premature failures of a car-wash kiosk in Toronto 10 yrs ago with the membrane bubble switch turned into target practice with pen tips to make contact after not getting their ticket printed after pre-paying reminds me of the consequences of the designer not doing MTBF reliability tests before releasing the product. Designers !! Remember to do DVT with ESD and mechanical life testing before final design release..!!
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
The reason it is old technology is this cheaper design cannot possibly be as reliable as the best membrane switch placed on PCB where the OEM has done all the life tests to validate the design MTBF. But it is cheap.
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
The reason it is old technology is this cheaper design cannot possibly be as reliable as the best membrane switch placed on PCB where the OEM has done all the life tests to validate the design MTBF. But it is cheap.
$endgroup$
– Sunnyskyguy EE75
14 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
This is a simple switch (push button type). These were used in older remote controls.
Nowadays we've replaced them with tactile push buttons for compactness.
$endgroup$
5
$begingroup$
You forget to mention that this works with a conductive pad which is pressed against this structure. Also it is still used in many modern devices as it is a very cheap solution.
$endgroup$
– Bimpelrekkie
16 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
This is a simple switch (push button type). These were used in older remote controls.
Nowadays we've replaced them with tactile push buttons for compactness.
$endgroup$
5
$begingroup$
You forget to mention that this works with a conductive pad which is pressed against this structure. Also it is still used in many modern devices as it is a very cheap solution.
$endgroup$
– Bimpelrekkie
16 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
This is a simple switch (push button type). These were used in older remote controls.
Nowadays we've replaced them with tactile push buttons for compactness.
$endgroup$
This is a simple switch (push button type). These were used in older remote controls.
Nowadays we've replaced them with tactile push buttons for compactness.
edited 13 hours ago
Wilson
1304
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answered 16 hours ago
the_mighty420the_mighty420
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5
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You forget to mention that this works with a conductive pad which is pressed against this structure. Also it is still used in many modern devices as it is a very cheap solution.
$endgroup$
– Bimpelrekkie
16 hours ago
add a comment |
5
$begingroup$
You forget to mention that this works with a conductive pad which is pressed against this structure. Also it is still used in many modern devices as it is a very cheap solution.
$endgroup$
– Bimpelrekkie
16 hours ago
5
5
$begingroup$
You forget to mention that this works with a conductive pad which is pressed against this structure. Also it is still used in many modern devices as it is a very cheap solution.
$endgroup$
– Bimpelrekkie
16 hours ago
$begingroup$
You forget to mention that this works with a conductive pad which is pressed against this structure. Also it is still used in many modern devices as it is a very cheap solution.
$endgroup$
– Bimpelrekkie
16 hours ago
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Was there anything mechanical mounted over this? It looks a bit like contacts for a button. The black surface could be carbon conductive ink.
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– Jack B
16 hours ago
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More info here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_rubber_keypad
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– Bimpelrekkie
16 hours ago
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related: Silicone rubber keypad PCB design
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– Nick Alexeev♦
8 hours ago