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When does a function NOT have an antiderivative?
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 23:30 UTC (7:30pm US/Eastern)How can you prove that a function has no closed form integral?Does L'Hôpital's work the other way?Finding volumes - when to use double integrals and triple integrals?Why does a function have to be bounded to be integrable?Proof that order of integration does not matter for non-continuous functionswhy we say this function have closed form while the other doesn't?Antiderivative of unbounded function?antiderivative of jump-discontinuous functionWhy is it legal to take the antiderivative of both sides of an equation?why $int sqrt(sin x)^2, mathrmdx = int |sin x| ,mathrmdx$Why does the antiderivative of $frac1x$ have to be $0$ at precisely $x=1$? (when $C = 0$)
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I know this question may sound naïve but why can't we write $int e^x^2 dx$ as $int e^2x dx$? The former does not have an antiderivative, while the latter has.
In light of this question, what are sufficient conditions for a function NOT to have an antiderivative. That is, do we need careful examination of a function to say it does not have an antiderivative or is there any way that once you see the function, you can right away say it does not have an antiderivative?
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I know this question may sound naïve but why can't we write $int e^x^2 dx$ as $int e^2x dx$? The former does not have an antiderivative, while the latter has.
In light of this question, what are sufficient conditions for a function NOT to have an antiderivative. That is, do we need careful examination of a function to say it does not have an antiderivative or is there any way that once you see the function, you can right away say it does not have an antiderivative?
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Maybe because $x^2$ isn't the same as $2x$?
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
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Can't we write $a^b^c$ as $a^bc$?
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$$e^x^2=e^xcdot xneq e^xcdot e^x = e^x+x=e^2x$$
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$$(a^b)^c=a^bcdot c$$$$a^(b^c)neq a^bcdot c$$
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$(e^x)^2$ would be where you use the rule that you're thinking of.
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I know this question may sound naïve but why can't we write $int e^x^2 dx$ as $int e^2x dx$? The former does not have an antiderivative, while the latter has.
In light of this question, what are sufficient conditions for a function NOT to have an antiderivative. That is, do we need careful examination of a function to say it does not have an antiderivative or is there any way that once you see the function, you can right away say it does not have an antiderivative?
integration
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I know this question may sound naïve but why can't we write $int e^x^2 dx$ as $int e^2x dx$? The former does not have an antiderivative, while the latter has.
In light of this question, what are sufficient conditions for a function NOT to have an antiderivative. That is, do we need careful examination of a function to say it does not have an antiderivative or is there any way that once you see the function, you can right away say it does not have an antiderivative?
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Maybe because $x^2$ isn't the same as $2x$?
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Can't we write $a^b^c$ as $a^bc$?
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$$e^x^2=e^xcdot xneq e^xcdot e^x = e^x+x=e^2x$$
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$$(a^b)^c=a^bcdot c$$$$a^(b^c)neq a^bcdot c$$
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$(e^x)^2$ would be where you use the rule that you're thinking of.
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Maybe because $x^2$ isn't the same as $2x$?
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Can't we write $a^b^c$ as $a^bc$?
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$$e^x^2=e^xcdot xneq e^xcdot e^x = e^x+x=e^2x$$
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$$(a^b)^c=a^bcdot c$$$$a^(b^c)neq a^bcdot c$$
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$(e^x)^2$ would be where you use the rule that you're thinking of.
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Maybe because $x^2$ isn't the same as $2x$?
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
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Maybe because $x^2$ isn't the same as $2x$?
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
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Can't we write $a^b^c$ as $a^bc$?
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Can't we write $a^b^c$ as $a^bc$?
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$$e^x^2=e^xcdot xneq e^xcdot e^x = e^x+x=e^2x$$
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$$e^x^2=e^xcdot xneq e^xcdot e^x = e^x+x=e^2x$$
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$$(a^b)^c=a^bcdot c$$$$a^(b^c)neq a^bcdot c$$
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$$(a^b)^c=a^bcdot c$$$$a^(b^c)neq a^bcdot c$$
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– Don Thousand
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$(e^x)^2$ would be where you use the rule that you're thinking of.
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$(e^x)^2$ would be where you use the rule that you're thinking of.
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As you might have realised, exponentiation is not associative:
$$left(a^bright)^c ne a^left(b^cright)$$
So what should $a^b^c$ mean? The convention is that exponentiation is right associative:
$$a^b^c = a^left(b^cright)$$
Because the otherwise left-associative exponentiation is just less useful and redundant, as it can be represented by multiplication inside the power (again as you might have realised):
$$a^bc = left(a^bright)^c$$
Wikipedia on associativity of exponentiation.
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The exponential expression $a^b^c$ is equal to $a^(b^c)$. It is not equal to $(a^b)^c=a^bcdot c$ as you seem to think it is. In general an exponential is evaluated from right to left with the highest term evaluated first. That is to say
$$largex_0^x_1^x_2^dots^x_n=x_0^left(x_1^left(x_2^left(dots^(x_n)right)right)right)$$
For the second part of your question see this duplicate.
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I didn't think $a^(b^c) = (a^b)^c$. Once we put parentheses it is all clear. But I think one would not be wrong for interpreting $e^x^2$ as $e^2x$, since without parentheses it can mean both things . Am I correct?
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NO! Without parentheses the expression $a^b^c$ is always equal to $a^left(b^cright)$. See here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponentiation#Identities_and_properties
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– Peter Foreman
3 hours ago
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I see! Well, I learnt something new that bothered me for a long time. So $e ^ x^2$ is understood as $e^(x^2)$. Also the link you sent, which I could not find at first, is very interesting but a little advanced for me.
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To answer the titular question, there's a result in real analysis that shows that derivatives satisfy have the intermediate value property (just like continuous functions). It follows that a function that skips values cannot be the derivative of anything in the usual sense. This implies that functions with jump discontinuities (like the Heaviside step, for example) cannot be the derivative of anything.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but that does not explain why $e^x^2$ has no antiderivative, right? I understand you are answering the titular question.
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3 hours ago
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$e^x^2$ does have an antiderivative, but it can't be expressed in terms of elementary functions. Having an antiderivative and having an elementary antiderivative are not the same thing.
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Liouville's theorem:
In mathematics, Liouville's theorem, originally formulated by Joseph Liouville in 1833 to 1841, places an important restriction on antiderivatives that can be expressed as elementary functions.
The antiderivatives of certain elementary functions cannot themselves be expressed as elementary functions. A standard example of such a function is $e^-x^2$, whose antiderivative is (with a multiplier of a constant) the error function, familiar from statistics. Other examples include the functions $frac sin ( x ) x $ and $ x^x $.
From wikipedia. See the article for more details.
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As you might have realised, exponentiation is not associative:
$$left(a^bright)^c ne a^left(b^cright)$$
So what should $a^b^c$ mean? The convention is that exponentiation is right associative:
$$a^b^c = a^left(b^cright)$$
Because the otherwise left-associative exponentiation is just less useful and redundant, as it can be represented by multiplication inside the power (again as you might have realised):
$$a^bc = left(a^bright)^c$$
Wikipedia on associativity of exponentiation.
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As you might have realised, exponentiation is not associative:
$$left(a^bright)^c ne a^left(b^cright)$$
So what should $a^b^c$ mean? The convention is that exponentiation is right associative:
$$a^b^c = a^left(b^cright)$$
Because the otherwise left-associative exponentiation is just less useful and redundant, as it can be represented by multiplication inside the power (again as you might have realised):
$$a^bc = left(a^bright)^c$$
Wikipedia on associativity of exponentiation.
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add a comment |
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As you might have realised, exponentiation is not associative:
$$left(a^bright)^c ne a^left(b^cright)$$
So what should $a^b^c$ mean? The convention is that exponentiation is right associative:
$$a^b^c = a^left(b^cright)$$
Because the otherwise left-associative exponentiation is just less useful and redundant, as it can be represented by multiplication inside the power (again as you might have realised):
$$a^bc = left(a^bright)^c$$
Wikipedia on associativity of exponentiation.
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As you might have realised, exponentiation is not associative:
$$left(a^bright)^c ne a^left(b^cright)$$
So what should $a^b^c$ mean? The convention is that exponentiation is right associative:
$$a^b^c = a^left(b^cright)$$
Because the otherwise left-associative exponentiation is just less useful and redundant, as it can be represented by multiplication inside the power (again as you might have realised):
$$a^bc = left(a^bright)^c$$
Wikipedia on associativity of exponentiation.
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The exponential expression $a^b^c$ is equal to $a^(b^c)$. It is not equal to $(a^b)^c=a^bcdot c$ as you seem to think it is. In general an exponential is evaluated from right to left with the highest term evaluated first. That is to say
$$largex_0^x_1^x_2^dots^x_n=x_0^left(x_1^left(x_2^left(dots^(x_n)right)right)right)$$
For the second part of your question see this duplicate.
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I didn't think $a^(b^c) = (a^b)^c$. Once we put parentheses it is all clear. But I think one would not be wrong for interpreting $e^x^2$ as $e^2x$, since without parentheses it can mean both things . Am I correct?
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NO! Without parentheses the expression $a^b^c$ is always equal to $a^left(b^cright)$. See here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponentiation#Identities_and_properties
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I see! Well, I learnt something new that bothered me for a long time. So $e ^ x^2$ is understood as $e^(x^2)$. Also the link you sent, which I could not find at first, is very interesting but a little advanced for me.
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The exponential expression $a^b^c$ is equal to $a^(b^c)$. It is not equal to $(a^b)^c=a^bcdot c$ as you seem to think it is. In general an exponential is evaluated from right to left with the highest term evaluated first. That is to say
$$largex_0^x_1^x_2^dots^x_n=x_0^left(x_1^left(x_2^left(dots^(x_n)right)right)right)$$
For the second part of your question see this duplicate.
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I didn't think $a^(b^c) = (a^b)^c$. Once we put parentheses it is all clear. But I think one would not be wrong for interpreting $e^x^2$ as $e^2x$, since without parentheses it can mean both things . Am I correct?
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– Rob
4 hours ago
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NO! Without parentheses the expression $a^b^c$ is always equal to $a^left(b^cright)$. See here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponentiation#Identities_and_properties
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– Peter Foreman
3 hours ago
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I see! Well, I learnt something new that bothered me for a long time. So $e ^ x^2$ is understood as $e^(x^2)$. Also the link you sent, which I could not find at first, is very interesting but a little advanced for me.
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– Rob
3 hours ago
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The exponential expression $a^b^c$ is equal to $a^(b^c)$. It is not equal to $(a^b)^c=a^bcdot c$ as you seem to think it is. In general an exponential is evaluated from right to left with the highest term evaluated first. That is to say
$$largex_0^x_1^x_2^dots^x_n=x_0^left(x_1^left(x_2^left(dots^(x_n)right)right)right)$$
For the second part of your question see this duplicate.
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The exponential expression $a^b^c$ is equal to $a^(b^c)$. It is not equal to $(a^b)^c=a^bcdot c$ as you seem to think it is. In general an exponential is evaluated from right to left with the highest term evaluated first. That is to say
$$largex_0^x_1^x_2^dots^x_n=x_0^left(x_1^left(x_2^left(dots^(x_n)right)right)right)$$
For the second part of your question see this duplicate.
answered 4 hours ago
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I didn't think $a^(b^c) = (a^b)^c$. Once we put parentheses it is all clear. But I think one would not be wrong for interpreting $e^x^2$ as $e^2x$, since without parentheses it can mean both things . Am I correct?
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– Rob
4 hours ago
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NO! Without parentheses the expression $a^b^c$ is always equal to $a^left(b^cright)$. See here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponentiation#Identities_and_properties
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– Peter Foreman
3 hours ago
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I see! Well, I learnt something new that bothered me for a long time. So $e ^ x^2$ is understood as $e^(x^2)$. Also the link you sent, which I could not find at first, is very interesting but a little advanced for me.
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I didn't think $a^(b^c) = (a^b)^c$. Once we put parentheses it is all clear. But I think one would not be wrong for interpreting $e^x^2$ as $e^2x$, since without parentheses it can mean both things . Am I correct?
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– Rob
4 hours ago
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NO! Without parentheses the expression $a^b^c$ is always equal to $a^left(b^cright)$. See here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponentiation#Identities_and_properties
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– Peter Foreman
3 hours ago
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I see! Well, I learnt something new that bothered me for a long time. So $e ^ x^2$ is understood as $e^(x^2)$. Also the link you sent, which I could not find at first, is very interesting but a little advanced for me.
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– Rob
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I didn't think $a^(b^c) = (a^b)^c$. Once we put parentheses it is all clear. But I think one would not be wrong for interpreting $e^x^2$ as $e^2x$, since without parentheses it can mean both things . Am I correct?
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– Rob
4 hours ago
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I didn't think $a^(b^c) = (a^b)^c$. Once we put parentheses it is all clear. But I think one would not be wrong for interpreting $e^x^2$ as $e^2x$, since without parentheses it can mean both things . Am I correct?
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– Rob
4 hours ago
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NO! Without parentheses the expression $a^b^c$ is always equal to $a^left(b^cright)$. See here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponentiation#Identities_and_properties
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– Peter Foreman
3 hours ago
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NO! Without parentheses the expression $a^b^c$ is always equal to $a^left(b^cright)$. See here - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponentiation#Identities_and_properties
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– Peter Foreman
3 hours ago
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I see! Well, I learnt something new that bothered me for a long time. So $e ^ x^2$ is understood as $e^(x^2)$. Also the link you sent, which I could not find at first, is very interesting but a little advanced for me.
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– Rob
3 hours ago
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I see! Well, I learnt something new that bothered me for a long time. So $e ^ x^2$ is understood as $e^(x^2)$. Also the link you sent, which I could not find at first, is very interesting but a little advanced for me.
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To answer the titular question, there's a result in real analysis that shows that derivatives satisfy have the intermediate value property (just like continuous functions). It follows that a function that skips values cannot be the derivative of anything in the usual sense. This implies that functions with jump discontinuities (like the Heaviside step, for example) cannot be the derivative of anything.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but that does not explain why $e^x^2$ has no antiderivative, right? I understand you are answering the titular question.
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– Rob
3 hours ago
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$e^x^2$ does have an antiderivative, but it can't be expressed in terms of elementary functions. Having an antiderivative and having an elementary antiderivative are not the same thing.
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– MathIsFun
3 hours ago
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To answer the titular question, there's a result in real analysis that shows that derivatives satisfy have the intermediate value property (just like continuous functions). It follows that a function that skips values cannot be the derivative of anything in the usual sense. This implies that functions with jump discontinuities (like the Heaviside step, for example) cannot be the derivative of anything.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but that does not explain why $e^x^2$ has no antiderivative, right? I understand you are answering the titular question.
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– Rob
3 hours ago
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$e^x^2$ does have an antiderivative, but it can't be expressed in terms of elementary functions. Having an antiderivative and having an elementary antiderivative are not the same thing.
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– MathIsFun
3 hours ago
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To answer the titular question, there's a result in real analysis that shows that derivatives satisfy have the intermediate value property (just like continuous functions). It follows that a function that skips values cannot be the derivative of anything in the usual sense. This implies that functions with jump discontinuities (like the Heaviside step, for example) cannot be the derivative of anything.
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To answer the titular question, there's a result in real analysis that shows that derivatives satisfy have the intermediate value property (just like continuous functions). It follows that a function that skips values cannot be the derivative of anything in the usual sense. This implies that functions with jump discontinuities (like the Heaviside step, for example) cannot be the derivative of anything.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but that does not explain why $e^x^2$ has no antiderivative, right? I understand you are answering the titular question.
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– Rob
3 hours ago
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$e^x^2$ does have an antiderivative, but it can't be expressed in terms of elementary functions. Having an antiderivative and having an elementary antiderivative are not the same thing.
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– MathIsFun
3 hours ago
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Correct me if I am wrong, but that does not explain why $e^x^2$ has no antiderivative, right? I understand you are answering the titular question.
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– Rob
3 hours ago
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$e^x^2$ does have an antiderivative, but it can't be expressed in terms of elementary functions. Having an antiderivative and having an elementary antiderivative are not the same thing.
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– MathIsFun
3 hours ago
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Correct me if I am wrong, but that does not explain why $e^x^2$ has no antiderivative, right? I understand you are answering the titular question.
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– Rob
3 hours ago
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Correct me if I am wrong, but that does not explain why $e^x^2$ has no antiderivative, right? I understand you are answering the titular question.
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– Rob
3 hours ago
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$e^x^2$ does have an antiderivative, but it can't be expressed in terms of elementary functions. Having an antiderivative and having an elementary antiderivative are not the same thing.
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– MathIsFun
3 hours ago
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$e^x^2$ does have an antiderivative, but it can't be expressed in terms of elementary functions. Having an antiderivative and having an elementary antiderivative are not the same thing.
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– MathIsFun
3 hours ago
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Liouville's theorem:
In mathematics, Liouville's theorem, originally formulated by Joseph Liouville in 1833 to 1841, places an important restriction on antiderivatives that can be expressed as elementary functions.
The antiderivatives of certain elementary functions cannot themselves be expressed as elementary functions. A standard example of such a function is $e^-x^2$, whose antiderivative is (with a multiplier of a constant) the error function, familiar from statistics. Other examples include the functions $frac sin ( x ) x $ and $ x^x $.
From wikipedia. See the article for more details.
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Liouville's theorem:
In mathematics, Liouville's theorem, originally formulated by Joseph Liouville in 1833 to 1841, places an important restriction on antiderivatives that can be expressed as elementary functions.
The antiderivatives of certain elementary functions cannot themselves be expressed as elementary functions. A standard example of such a function is $e^-x^2$, whose antiderivative is (with a multiplier of a constant) the error function, familiar from statistics. Other examples include the functions $frac sin ( x ) x $ and $ x^x $.
From wikipedia. See the article for more details.
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Liouville's theorem:
In mathematics, Liouville's theorem, originally formulated by Joseph Liouville in 1833 to 1841, places an important restriction on antiderivatives that can be expressed as elementary functions.
The antiderivatives of certain elementary functions cannot themselves be expressed as elementary functions. A standard example of such a function is $e^-x^2$, whose antiderivative is (with a multiplier of a constant) the error function, familiar from statistics. Other examples include the functions $frac sin ( x ) x $ and $ x^x $.
From wikipedia. See the article for more details.
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Liouville's theorem:
In mathematics, Liouville's theorem, originally formulated by Joseph Liouville in 1833 to 1841, places an important restriction on antiderivatives that can be expressed as elementary functions.
The antiderivatives of certain elementary functions cannot themselves be expressed as elementary functions. A standard example of such a function is $e^-x^2$, whose antiderivative is (with a multiplier of a constant) the error function, familiar from statistics. Other examples include the functions $frac sin ( x ) x $ and $ x^x $.
From wikipedia. See the article for more details.
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Maybe because $x^2$ isn't the same as $2x$?
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
4 hours ago
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Can't we write $a^b^c$ as $a^bc$?
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– Rob
4 hours ago
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$$e^x^2=e^xcdot xneq e^xcdot e^x = e^x+x=e^2x$$
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– Don Thousand
4 hours ago
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$$(a^b)^c=a^bcdot c$$$$a^(b^c)neq a^bcdot c$$
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– Don Thousand
4 hours ago
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$(e^x)^2$ would be where you use the rule that you're thinking of.
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– Tartaglia's Stutter
4 hours ago