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Can I bring back Planetary Romance as a genre?
A mix of the Medieval Age and the 21st century periodWill science fiction as a genre ever go the way of the western?What science fiction sub-genre is my novel?Three protagonists in one novel, too much?To read or not to read similar works before write my own?What are the standard genre characteristics of contemporary women's fantasyHow do I ratchet down expectations in a genre that seems to have gone gonzo?Series: How can I get my reader to not expect any one genre?How do I avoid the “chosen hero” feeling?Is there a way to break genre expectations successfully?The unknown and unexplained in science fiction
This question is about genre and reader expectations. I'm not trying to change my story to fit a mainstream genre. I have already taken steps to broaden it's appeal, but it's too late to create an entirely different type of story.
I'm writing and illustrating a graphic novel. My difficulty is that I have issues communicating what it's about, the "1-minute elevator pitch".
Describe the story in 2 words...
I was fine with calling it Science Fiction, but I noticed non-writers had certain genre expectations which they get from mainstream works that I wouldn't even consider to strictly be sci-fi. My story is character-driven. It lacks melodramatic villains. There are no fantasy races or magic aliens or telepaths. Explaining this, I'd watch people's eyes glaze over. I can't get people excited by saying how it's not all these other things they expect.
In niche communities like Writers and Worldbuilding, genres have a narrower definition. To get around gatekeeping debates with other community members about scientific plausibility, I switched my genre label to Space Opera. It got them to accept my "alternative science" (it's consistent, but based on a specific pseudo-science) as not requiring a deep explanation (not integral to the plot). However, I'm still not providing genre expectations like dogfights in space, laser shootouts, space empires and half-dressed space princesses. I'm not fulfilling the promise-to-the-reader of what I think a Space Opera ought to be. None of the action even takes place in outer space.
Subverting expectations, or genre salad…?
At each phase, I took steps to try to make my story more commercial (in a George R. R. Martin sense) suggesting the implied genre promises but subverting expectations to get back to my story: a "melodrama villain" is taken out early leaving unanswered questions, the "action hero" isn't able to solve problems with a laserpistol, and the "half-dressed space princess" is a social-climbing thot trying to get to another planet. Feminist and social justice themes were subverted in favor of more complicated, frustrating characters who act in their own self-interest. No one's a "hero", no one's a "villain". Characters are imperfect and no one gets exactly what they want.
While this made the drama better, it moved further away from mainstream sci-fi. Looking critically at my full script, it's like I hang a lampshade on some mainstream tropes and then wander away to do something else. To try to be clear, it's not just that I have grey-morality and adult themes, it's more like "is this story even in this genre?"
Wait, it's actually some obscure genre no one has heard of that has zero marketing appeal…
Earlier this year I found the term Planetary Romance, and it fits. My story isn't really a "clash of worlds" so much as it's a clash of individuals from different worlds. The story takes place (mostly) on one planet where the socio-political situation is more important than technology, and the conflicts are small and inter-personal, at first anyway.
For anyone who knows the origins of Planetary Romance, I feel they would accept the story in the spirit it's intended. It's a modern twist on the White Savior goes to a Primitive Planet, except the planet is a libertarian slum and all the hero and damsel tropes are subverted.
I know "romance" here is not indicating an actual relationship, as in Romance genre – but to anyone who doesn't know the term (non-writers) it at least gives them the right sense of scale to the conflict. Of course there is more than boy-meets-girl-on-Planet-Z, but if someone came with that expectation I feel they would be happily surprised by a complex character-driven story with some exotic stage dressing. There is a "which guy will she choose" aspect they can read into that carries through.
I'm at the stage where I need to solidify how I discuss this project. The script is finished and the artwork is in production. I can't keep fishing for genre labels. I need to communicate the basic scope of the story quickly so I can turn attention to the individual characters the story is really about.
Can I call my graphic novel a planetary romance?
Does it help me communicate the idea, or is it just too obscure to be useful?
science-fiction marketing genre
add a comment |
This question is about genre and reader expectations. I'm not trying to change my story to fit a mainstream genre. I have already taken steps to broaden it's appeal, but it's too late to create an entirely different type of story.
I'm writing and illustrating a graphic novel. My difficulty is that I have issues communicating what it's about, the "1-minute elevator pitch".
Describe the story in 2 words...
I was fine with calling it Science Fiction, but I noticed non-writers had certain genre expectations which they get from mainstream works that I wouldn't even consider to strictly be sci-fi. My story is character-driven. It lacks melodramatic villains. There are no fantasy races or magic aliens or telepaths. Explaining this, I'd watch people's eyes glaze over. I can't get people excited by saying how it's not all these other things they expect.
In niche communities like Writers and Worldbuilding, genres have a narrower definition. To get around gatekeeping debates with other community members about scientific plausibility, I switched my genre label to Space Opera. It got them to accept my "alternative science" (it's consistent, but based on a specific pseudo-science) as not requiring a deep explanation (not integral to the plot). However, I'm still not providing genre expectations like dogfights in space, laser shootouts, space empires and half-dressed space princesses. I'm not fulfilling the promise-to-the-reader of what I think a Space Opera ought to be. None of the action even takes place in outer space.
Subverting expectations, or genre salad…?
At each phase, I took steps to try to make my story more commercial (in a George R. R. Martin sense) suggesting the implied genre promises but subverting expectations to get back to my story: a "melodrama villain" is taken out early leaving unanswered questions, the "action hero" isn't able to solve problems with a laserpistol, and the "half-dressed space princess" is a social-climbing thot trying to get to another planet. Feminist and social justice themes were subverted in favor of more complicated, frustrating characters who act in their own self-interest. No one's a "hero", no one's a "villain". Characters are imperfect and no one gets exactly what they want.
While this made the drama better, it moved further away from mainstream sci-fi. Looking critically at my full script, it's like I hang a lampshade on some mainstream tropes and then wander away to do something else. To try to be clear, it's not just that I have grey-morality and adult themes, it's more like "is this story even in this genre?"
Wait, it's actually some obscure genre no one has heard of that has zero marketing appeal…
Earlier this year I found the term Planetary Romance, and it fits. My story isn't really a "clash of worlds" so much as it's a clash of individuals from different worlds. The story takes place (mostly) on one planet where the socio-political situation is more important than technology, and the conflicts are small and inter-personal, at first anyway.
For anyone who knows the origins of Planetary Romance, I feel they would accept the story in the spirit it's intended. It's a modern twist on the White Savior goes to a Primitive Planet, except the planet is a libertarian slum and all the hero and damsel tropes are subverted.
I know "romance" here is not indicating an actual relationship, as in Romance genre – but to anyone who doesn't know the term (non-writers) it at least gives them the right sense of scale to the conflict. Of course there is more than boy-meets-girl-on-Planet-Z, but if someone came with that expectation I feel they would be happily surprised by a complex character-driven story with some exotic stage dressing. There is a "which guy will she choose" aspect they can read into that carries through.
I'm at the stage where I need to solidify how I discuss this project. The script is finished and the artwork is in production. I can't keep fishing for genre labels. I need to communicate the basic scope of the story quickly so I can turn attention to the individual characters the story is really about.
Can I call my graphic novel a planetary romance?
Does it help me communicate the idea, or is it just too obscure to be useful?
science-fiction marketing genre
1
yes yes yes no yes no yes whatever.. just write the fracking story.
– ashleylee
1 hour ago
Fracking story has been written, question is whether this term is useful for marketing.
– wetcircuit
1 hour ago
Considering that George Lucas revived serial Movies and Space Opera with Star Wars and Serial Pulp Adventure with Indianan Jones, both genres that were long dead in theaters but given new life in the works. There were racial components in those genres as well but it was more product of the times and both works sort of eliminated them... India was not to happy about the Second Indianan Jones movie.
– hszmv
23 mins ago
2
Market it away, sounds catchy. But if you ask my first impression readin' the title of the quesiton, I saw Jupiter and Saturn making out. Cue in joke when Jupiter complains that Saturn's rings are itchy. @wetcircuit
– Mindwin
21 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit: in that case... NO.. it isn't.. notice how many words you had to spend to explain what it is? And I still have no idea what you are pitching..
– ashleylee
21 mins ago
add a comment |
This question is about genre and reader expectations. I'm not trying to change my story to fit a mainstream genre. I have already taken steps to broaden it's appeal, but it's too late to create an entirely different type of story.
I'm writing and illustrating a graphic novel. My difficulty is that I have issues communicating what it's about, the "1-minute elevator pitch".
Describe the story in 2 words...
I was fine with calling it Science Fiction, but I noticed non-writers had certain genre expectations which they get from mainstream works that I wouldn't even consider to strictly be sci-fi. My story is character-driven. It lacks melodramatic villains. There are no fantasy races or magic aliens or telepaths. Explaining this, I'd watch people's eyes glaze over. I can't get people excited by saying how it's not all these other things they expect.
In niche communities like Writers and Worldbuilding, genres have a narrower definition. To get around gatekeeping debates with other community members about scientific plausibility, I switched my genre label to Space Opera. It got them to accept my "alternative science" (it's consistent, but based on a specific pseudo-science) as not requiring a deep explanation (not integral to the plot). However, I'm still not providing genre expectations like dogfights in space, laser shootouts, space empires and half-dressed space princesses. I'm not fulfilling the promise-to-the-reader of what I think a Space Opera ought to be. None of the action even takes place in outer space.
Subverting expectations, or genre salad…?
At each phase, I took steps to try to make my story more commercial (in a George R. R. Martin sense) suggesting the implied genre promises but subverting expectations to get back to my story: a "melodrama villain" is taken out early leaving unanswered questions, the "action hero" isn't able to solve problems with a laserpistol, and the "half-dressed space princess" is a social-climbing thot trying to get to another planet. Feminist and social justice themes were subverted in favor of more complicated, frustrating characters who act in their own self-interest. No one's a "hero", no one's a "villain". Characters are imperfect and no one gets exactly what they want.
While this made the drama better, it moved further away from mainstream sci-fi. Looking critically at my full script, it's like I hang a lampshade on some mainstream tropes and then wander away to do something else. To try to be clear, it's not just that I have grey-morality and adult themes, it's more like "is this story even in this genre?"
Wait, it's actually some obscure genre no one has heard of that has zero marketing appeal…
Earlier this year I found the term Planetary Romance, and it fits. My story isn't really a "clash of worlds" so much as it's a clash of individuals from different worlds. The story takes place (mostly) on one planet where the socio-political situation is more important than technology, and the conflicts are small and inter-personal, at first anyway.
For anyone who knows the origins of Planetary Romance, I feel they would accept the story in the spirit it's intended. It's a modern twist on the White Savior goes to a Primitive Planet, except the planet is a libertarian slum and all the hero and damsel tropes are subverted.
I know "romance" here is not indicating an actual relationship, as in Romance genre – but to anyone who doesn't know the term (non-writers) it at least gives them the right sense of scale to the conflict. Of course there is more than boy-meets-girl-on-Planet-Z, but if someone came with that expectation I feel they would be happily surprised by a complex character-driven story with some exotic stage dressing. There is a "which guy will she choose" aspect they can read into that carries through.
I'm at the stage where I need to solidify how I discuss this project. The script is finished and the artwork is in production. I can't keep fishing for genre labels. I need to communicate the basic scope of the story quickly so I can turn attention to the individual characters the story is really about.
Can I call my graphic novel a planetary romance?
Does it help me communicate the idea, or is it just too obscure to be useful?
science-fiction marketing genre
This question is about genre and reader expectations. I'm not trying to change my story to fit a mainstream genre. I have already taken steps to broaden it's appeal, but it's too late to create an entirely different type of story.
I'm writing and illustrating a graphic novel. My difficulty is that I have issues communicating what it's about, the "1-minute elevator pitch".
Describe the story in 2 words...
I was fine with calling it Science Fiction, but I noticed non-writers had certain genre expectations which they get from mainstream works that I wouldn't even consider to strictly be sci-fi. My story is character-driven. It lacks melodramatic villains. There are no fantasy races or magic aliens or telepaths. Explaining this, I'd watch people's eyes glaze over. I can't get people excited by saying how it's not all these other things they expect.
In niche communities like Writers and Worldbuilding, genres have a narrower definition. To get around gatekeeping debates with other community members about scientific plausibility, I switched my genre label to Space Opera. It got them to accept my "alternative science" (it's consistent, but based on a specific pseudo-science) as not requiring a deep explanation (not integral to the plot). However, I'm still not providing genre expectations like dogfights in space, laser shootouts, space empires and half-dressed space princesses. I'm not fulfilling the promise-to-the-reader of what I think a Space Opera ought to be. None of the action even takes place in outer space.
Subverting expectations, or genre salad…?
At each phase, I took steps to try to make my story more commercial (in a George R. R. Martin sense) suggesting the implied genre promises but subverting expectations to get back to my story: a "melodrama villain" is taken out early leaving unanswered questions, the "action hero" isn't able to solve problems with a laserpistol, and the "half-dressed space princess" is a social-climbing thot trying to get to another planet. Feminist and social justice themes were subverted in favor of more complicated, frustrating characters who act in their own self-interest. No one's a "hero", no one's a "villain". Characters are imperfect and no one gets exactly what they want.
While this made the drama better, it moved further away from mainstream sci-fi. Looking critically at my full script, it's like I hang a lampshade on some mainstream tropes and then wander away to do something else. To try to be clear, it's not just that I have grey-morality and adult themes, it's more like "is this story even in this genre?"
Wait, it's actually some obscure genre no one has heard of that has zero marketing appeal…
Earlier this year I found the term Planetary Romance, and it fits. My story isn't really a "clash of worlds" so much as it's a clash of individuals from different worlds. The story takes place (mostly) on one planet where the socio-political situation is more important than technology, and the conflicts are small and inter-personal, at first anyway.
For anyone who knows the origins of Planetary Romance, I feel they would accept the story in the spirit it's intended. It's a modern twist on the White Savior goes to a Primitive Planet, except the planet is a libertarian slum and all the hero and damsel tropes are subverted.
I know "romance" here is not indicating an actual relationship, as in Romance genre – but to anyone who doesn't know the term (non-writers) it at least gives them the right sense of scale to the conflict. Of course there is more than boy-meets-girl-on-Planet-Z, but if someone came with that expectation I feel they would be happily surprised by a complex character-driven story with some exotic stage dressing. There is a "which guy will she choose" aspect they can read into that carries through.
I'm at the stage where I need to solidify how I discuss this project. The script is finished and the artwork is in production. I can't keep fishing for genre labels. I need to communicate the basic scope of the story quickly so I can turn attention to the individual characters the story is really about.
Can I call my graphic novel a planetary romance?
Does it help me communicate the idea, or is it just too obscure to be useful?
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yes yes yes no yes no yes whatever.. just write the fracking story.
– ashleylee
1 hour ago
Fracking story has been written, question is whether this term is useful for marketing.
– wetcircuit
1 hour ago
Considering that George Lucas revived serial Movies and Space Opera with Star Wars and Serial Pulp Adventure with Indianan Jones, both genres that were long dead in theaters but given new life in the works. There were racial components in those genres as well but it was more product of the times and both works sort of eliminated them... India was not to happy about the Second Indianan Jones movie.
– hszmv
23 mins ago
2
Market it away, sounds catchy. But if you ask my first impression readin' the title of the quesiton, I saw Jupiter and Saturn making out. Cue in joke when Jupiter complains that Saturn's rings are itchy. @wetcircuit
– Mindwin
21 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit: in that case... NO.. it isn't.. notice how many words you had to spend to explain what it is? And I still have no idea what you are pitching..
– ashleylee
21 mins ago
add a comment |
1
yes yes yes no yes no yes whatever.. just write the fracking story.
– ashleylee
1 hour ago
Fracking story has been written, question is whether this term is useful for marketing.
– wetcircuit
1 hour ago
Considering that George Lucas revived serial Movies and Space Opera with Star Wars and Serial Pulp Adventure with Indianan Jones, both genres that were long dead in theaters but given new life in the works. There were racial components in those genres as well but it was more product of the times and both works sort of eliminated them... India was not to happy about the Second Indianan Jones movie.
– hszmv
23 mins ago
2
Market it away, sounds catchy. But if you ask my first impression readin' the title of the quesiton, I saw Jupiter and Saturn making out. Cue in joke when Jupiter complains that Saturn's rings are itchy. @wetcircuit
– Mindwin
21 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit: in that case... NO.. it isn't.. notice how many words you had to spend to explain what it is? And I still have no idea what you are pitching..
– ashleylee
21 mins ago
1
1
yes yes yes no yes no yes whatever.. just write the fracking story.
– ashleylee
1 hour ago
yes yes yes no yes no yes whatever.. just write the fracking story.
– ashleylee
1 hour ago
Fracking story has been written, question is whether this term is useful for marketing.
– wetcircuit
1 hour ago
Fracking story has been written, question is whether this term is useful for marketing.
– wetcircuit
1 hour ago
Considering that George Lucas revived serial Movies and Space Opera with Star Wars and Serial Pulp Adventure with Indianan Jones, both genres that were long dead in theaters but given new life in the works. There were racial components in those genres as well but it was more product of the times and both works sort of eliminated them... India was not to happy about the Second Indianan Jones movie.
– hszmv
23 mins ago
Considering that George Lucas revived serial Movies and Space Opera with Star Wars and Serial Pulp Adventure with Indianan Jones, both genres that were long dead in theaters but given new life in the works. There were racial components in those genres as well but it was more product of the times and both works sort of eliminated them... India was not to happy about the Second Indianan Jones movie.
– hszmv
23 mins ago
2
2
Market it away, sounds catchy. But if you ask my first impression readin' the title of the quesiton, I saw Jupiter and Saturn making out. Cue in joke when Jupiter complains that Saturn's rings are itchy. @wetcircuit
– Mindwin
21 mins ago
Market it away, sounds catchy. But if you ask my first impression readin' the title of the quesiton, I saw Jupiter and Saturn making out. Cue in joke when Jupiter complains that Saturn's rings are itchy. @wetcircuit
– Mindwin
21 mins ago
1
1
@wetcircuit: in that case... NO.. it isn't.. notice how many words you had to spend to explain what it is? And I still have no idea what you are pitching..
– ashleylee
21 mins ago
@wetcircuit: in that case... NO.. it isn't.. notice how many words you had to spend to explain what it is? And I still have no idea what you are pitching..
– ashleylee
21 mins ago
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There are two separate issues here:
- What do you call your story as you pitch it?
- How would your story be marketed?
Although you tag marketing and use the word, you're asking more about the second question, how to pitch the story, so let's not worry about it. Your publisher will choose an appropriate genre and market accordingly. It would be a separate question anyway.
I'll focus on the first question. Of course you can call your story whatever you wish. But, as perfectly as it might fit the genre of planetary romance, you run the risk of your listeners not knowing what you mean. I had to read your whole question before I understood.
So use it, but explain it. Something like:
It's a Planetary Romance novel. A clash of individuals from different
worlds. Literally different worlds, since it's a sub-genre of Science
Fiction.
Or...
So it's Science Fiction but a character-driven story focused on the
politics and cultures across planets. A small genre called Planetary Romance.
Or whatever wording works for you.
The advantage here is you'll be educating people about this genre, which can only work in your favor.
I will be publisher, so unless someone approaches me with a bag o' money it will probably be the same question… I feel I'm failing on your second option "Sci-Fi but…", so I will try the first, education. Thank you!
– wetcircuit
51 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit I just edited it slightly before seeing your comment. See if that works better. Pitching and marketing are still different when you self-publish, though sure, there's a much bigger overlap.
– Cyn
50 mins ago
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What did you think the term was supposed to mean when you first came across it?
You only found the term "[e]arlier this year" and you are writing a story in that genre. You are far more knowledgeable about the details of genres close to your story than the average Joe that is supposed to read this. I am a fantasy reader and have read a lot about some obscure genres outside of my usual reading habits, but I have never heard the term you used.
What I first thought when reading the question was that you were making up a new sub-genre. Never heard of planetary-romance being a thing.
And after that I had some very weird thoughts about who the love interests of a planetary-romance might be...
Sure, there may very well be quite a few people out there who know about the genre. And if you find the internet forums these people frequent they will be extremely glad that someone made the effort to understand their genre and further enrich it. They will love you for giving it a precise genre description and you will have quite a few plus points before they even start reading your story.
But I'd bet that those people are not the majority of people.
For everyone else you need to find some genre description that they have heard about and that allows them to understand the very rough things your story will be about. For the average Joe I'd still say that's "Science Fiction". Labelling it "Sci-Fi" will give you access to a whole lot of more readers. And then you will probably have a short blurb or teaser that allows them to judge whether the specifics are what they want to read. Just make sure to hint at some of the most glaring difference between "cookie-cutter sci-fi" and your story.
Different groups have different expectations for genre labels. Use the most generic one for general marketing, the more specific one in forums where people know about it and if someone asks about differences just tell them what you wrote in this question.
For the average population "Sci-Fi" is enough and will give you a wider audience that stumbles across your work. It's easy to market something as "Sci-Fi" because everyone knows something about it. Some more specialised groups, like WorldBuilding.SE, need something a little more specific, like "Space Opera". And then some might love "Planetary Romance". Adapt the specifics to your audience and if someone asks you in an interview why there are so many differences between "Sci-Fi" and your story just tell them all the things you mentioned in your question. It's an interesting discussion, but that is only something people very interested in your story or the sub-genre want to know. For most people the generic label plus a short description of the content is more than enough to judge whether they want to read something or not.
When I read the term, I thought: "romance on a planet", like this painting: queensmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/… – appeals to me more than a noble star captain or comicbook hero…. Although I see the irony in it that many wouldn't. As stated, I didn't write it to fit any genre, I was fine with saying "sci-fi" but then I realized that what I mean by sci-fi and what other people think (comicbooks, pew-pew-pew) isn't at all the same thing. Almost better to go with something that makes you go "wtf is that?" rather than walk back everything I know it isn't.
– wetcircuit
40 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit Labelling it "Sci-Fi" and having a teaser that tells us about the things your story have will tell everyone everything they need to know. You don't need to mention the differences. In fact that would probably turn away quite a few people. You need to tell the people what's good about your story, not just what is different. Obviously you can call it whatever you want, but whether that's useful to get some eyes on it is a different question. And you could also only target exactly those people that like you know the term - but that is probably a very low number of people
– Secespitus
36 mins ago
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This is literary science-fiction. I identified it by taking the genre it definitely must fit in, and then looking for a commonly used, readily understood modifier that subtracts the "gee whiz" elements of the genre, and adds in what for-lack-of-a-better-word we might call more "literary" qualities.
It is a well-known, critically acclaimed, and reasonably popular subgenre.
Better than making something up, or bringing something esoteric back from the dead. Thank you!
– wetcircuit
35 mins ago
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There are two separate issues here:
- What do you call your story as you pitch it?
- How would your story be marketed?
Although you tag marketing and use the word, you're asking more about the second question, how to pitch the story, so let's not worry about it. Your publisher will choose an appropriate genre and market accordingly. It would be a separate question anyway.
I'll focus on the first question. Of course you can call your story whatever you wish. But, as perfectly as it might fit the genre of planetary romance, you run the risk of your listeners not knowing what you mean. I had to read your whole question before I understood.
So use it, but explain it. Something like:
It's a Planetary Romance novel. A clash of individuals from different
worlds. Literally different worlds, since it's a sub-genre of Science
Fiction.
Or...
So it's Science Fiction but a character-driven story focused on the
politics and cultures across planets. A small genre called Planetary Romance.
Or whatever wording works for you.
The advantage here is you'll be educating people about this genre, which can only work in your favor.
I will be publisher, so unless someone approaches me with a bag o' money it will probably be the same question… I feel I'm failing on your second option "Sci-Fi but…", so I will try the first, education. Thank you!
– wetcircuit
51 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit I just edited it slightly before seeing your comment. See if that works better. Pitching and marketing are still different when you self-publish, though sure, there's a much bigger overlap.
– Cyn
50 mins ago
add a comment |
There are two separate issues here:
- What do you call your story as you pitch it?
- How would your story be marketed?
Although you tag marketing and use the word, you're asking more about the second question, how to pitch the story, so let's not worry about it. Your publisher will choose an appropriate genre and market accordingly. It would be a separate question anyway.
I'll focus on the first question. Of course you can call your story whatever you wish. But, as perfectly as it might fit the genre of planetary romance, you run the risk of your listeners not knowing what you mean. I had to read your whole question before I understood.
So use it, but explain it. Something like:
It's a Planetary Romance novel. A clash of individuals from different
worlds. Literally different worlds, since it's a sub-genre of Science
Fiction.
Or...
So it's Science Fiction but a character-driven story focused on the
politics and cultures across planets. A small genre called Planetary Romance.
Or whatever wording works for you.
The advantage here is you'll be educating people about this genre, which can only work in your favor.
I will be publisher, so unless someone approaches me with a bag o' money it will probably be the same question… I feel I'm failing on your second option "Sci-Fi but…", so I will try the first, education. Thank you!
– wetcircuit
51 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit I just edited it slightly before seeing your comment. See if that works better. Pitching and marketing are still different when you self-publish, though sure, there's a much bigger overlap.
– Cyn
50 mins ago
add a comment |
There are two separate issues here:
- What do you call your story as you pitch it?
- How would your story be marketed?
Although you tag marketing and use the word, you're asking more about the second question, how to pitch the story, so let's not worry about it. Your publisher will choose an appropriate genre and market accordingly. It would be a separate question anyway.
I'll focus on the first question. Of course you can call your story whatever you wish. But, as perfectly as it might fit the genre of planetary romance, you run the risk of your listeners not knowing what you mean. I had to read your whole question before I understood.
So use it, but explain it. Something like:
It's a Planetary Romance novel. A clash of individuals from different
worlds. Literally different worlds, since it's a sub-genre of Science
Fiction.
Or...
So it's Science Fiction but a character-driven story focused on the
politics and cultures across planets. A small genre called Planetary Romance.
Or whatever wording works for you.
The advantage here is you'll be educating people about this genre, which can only work in your favor.
There are two separate issues here:
- What do you call your story as you pitch it?
- How would your story be marketed?
Although you tag marketing and use the word, you're asking more about the second question, how to pitch the story, so let's not worry about it. Your publisher will choose an appropriate genre and market accordingly. It would be a separate question anyway.
I'll focus on the first question. Of course you can call your story whatever you wish. But, as perfectly as it might fit the genre of planetary romance, you run the risk of your listeners not knowing what you mean. I had to read your whole question before I understood.
So use it, but explain it. Something like:
It's a Planetary Romance novel. A clash of individuals from different
worlds. Literally different worlds, since it's a sub-genre of Science
Fiction.
Or...
So it's Science Fiction but a character-driven story focused on the
politics and cultures across planets. A small genre called Planetary Romance.
Or whatever wording works for you.
The advantage here is you'll be educating people about this genre, which can only work in your favor.
edited 51 mins ago
answered 54 mins ago
CynCyn
20.5k14496
20.5k14496
I will be publisher, so unless someone approaches me with a bag o' money it will probably be the same question… I feel I'm failing on your second option "Sci-Fi but…", so I will try the first, education. Thank you!
– wetcircuit
51 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit I just edited it slightly before seeing your comment. See if that works better. Pitching and marketing are still different when you self-publish, though sure, there's a much bigger overlap.
– Cyn
50 mins ago
add a comment |
I will be publisher, so unless someone approaches me with a bag o' money it will probably be the same question… I feel I'm failing on your second option "Sci-Fi but…", so I will try the first, education. Thank you!
– wetcircuit
51 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit I just edited it slightly before seeing your comment. See if that works better. Pitching and marketing are still different when you self-publish, though sure, there's a much bigger overlap.
– Cyn
50 mins ago
I will be publisher, so unless someone approaches me with a bag o' money it will probably be the same question… I feel I'm failing on your second option "Sci-Fi but…", so I will try the first, education. Thank you!
– wetcircuit
51 mins ago
I will be publisher, so unless someone approaches me with a bag o' money it will probably be the same question… I feel I'm failing on your second option "Sci-Fi but…", so I will try the first, education. Thank you!
– wetcircuit
51 mins ago
1
1
@wetcircuit I just edited it slightly before seeing your comment. See if that works better. Pitching and marketing are still different when you self-publish, though sure, there's a much bigger overlap.
– Cyn
50 mins ago
@wetcircuit I just edited it slightly before seeing your comment. See if that works better. Pitching and marketing are still different when you self-publish, though sure, there's a much bigger overlap.
– Cyn
50 mins ago
add a comment |
What did you think the term was supposed to mean when you first came across it?
You only found the term "[e]arlier this year" and you are writing a story in that genre. You are far more knowledgeable about the details of genres close to your story than the average Joe that is supposed to read this. I am a fantasy reader and have read a lot about some obscure genres outside of my usual reading habits, but I have never heard the term you used.
What I first thought when reading the question was that you were making up a new sub-genre. Never heard of planetary-romance being a thing.
And after that I had some very weird thoughts about who the love interests of a planetary-romance might be...
Sure, there may very well be quite a few people out there who know about the genre. And if you find the internet forums these people frequent they will be extremely glad that someone made the effort to understand their genre and further enrich it. They will love you for giving it a precise genre description and you will have quite a few plus points before they even start reading your story.
But I'd bet that those people are not the majority of people.
For everyone else you need to find some genre description that they have heard about and that allows them to understand the very rough things your story will be about. For the average Joe I'd still say that's "Science Fiction". Labelling it "Sci-Fi" will give you access to a whole lot of more readers. And then you will probably have a short blurb or teaser that allows them to judge whether the specifics are what they want to read. Just make sure to hint at some of the most glaring difference between "cookie-cutter sci-fi" and your story.
Different groups have different expectations for genre labels. Use the most generic one for general marketing, the more specific one in forums where people know about it and if someone asks about differences just tell them what you wrote in this question.
For the average population "Sci-Fi" is enough and will give you a wider audience that stumbles across your work. It's easy to market something as "Sci-Fi" because everyone knows something about it. Some more specialised groups, like WorldBuilding.SE, need something a little more specific, like "Space Opera". And then some might love "Planetary Romance". Adapt the specifics to your audience and if someone asks you in an interview why there are so many differences between "Sci-Fi" and your story just tell them all the things you mentioned in your question. It's an interesting discussion, but that is only something people very interested in your story or the sub-genre want to know. For most people the generic label plus a short description of the content is more than enough to judge whether they want to read something or not.
When I read the term, I thought: "romance on a planet", like this painting: queensmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/… – appeals to me more than a noble star captain or comicbook hero…. Although I see the irony in it that many wouldn't. As stated, I didn't write it to fit any genre, I was fine with saying "sci-fi" but then I realized that what I mean by sci-fi and what other people think (comicbooks, pew-pew-pew) isn't at all the same thing. Almost better to go with something that makes you go "wtf is that?" rather than walk back everything I know it isn't.
– wetcircuit
40 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit Labelling it "Sci-Fi" and having a teaser that tells us about the things your story have will tell everyone everything they need to know. You don't need to mention the differences. In fact that would probably turn away quite a few people. You need to tell the people what's good about your story, not just what is different. Obviously you can call it whatever you want, but whether that's useful to get some eyes on it is a different question. And you could also only target exactly those people that like you know the term - but that is probably a very low number of people
– Secespitus
36 mins ago
add a comment |
What did you think the term was supposed to mean when you first came across it?
You only found the term "[e]arlier this year" and you are writing a story in that genre. You are far more knowledgeable about the details of genres close to your story than the average Joe that is supposed to read this. I am a fantasy reader and have read a lot about some obscure genres outside of my usual reading habits, but I have never heard the term you used.
What I first thought when reading the question was that you were making up a new sub-genre. Never heard of planetary-romance being a thing.
And after that I had some very weird thoughts about who the love interests of a planetary-romance might be...
Sure, there may very well be quite a few people out there who know about the genre. And if you find the internet forums these people frequent they will be extremely glad that someone made the effort to understand their genre and further enrich it. They will love you for giving it a precise genre description and you will have quite a few plus points before they even start reading your story.
But I'd bet that those people are not the majority of people.
For everyone else you need to find some genre description that they have heard about and that allows them to understand the very rough things your story will be about. For the average Joe I'd still say that's "Science Fiction". Labelling it "Sci-Fi" will give you access to a whole lot of more readers. And then you will probably have a short blurb or teaser that allows them to judge whether the specifics are what they want to read. Just make sure to hint at some of the most glaring difference between "cookie-cutter sci-fi" and your story.
Different groups have different expectations for genre labels. Use the most generic one for general marketing, the more specific one in forums where people know about it and if someone asks about differences just tell them what you wrote in this question.
For the average population "Sci-Fi" is enough and will give you a wider audience that stumbles across your work. It's easy to market something as "Sci-Fi" because everyone knows something about it. Some more specialised groups, like WorldBuilding.SE, need something a little more specific, like "Space Opera". And then some might love "Planetary Romance". Adapt the specifics to your audience and if someone asks you in an interview why there are so many differences between "Sci-Fi" and your story just tell them all the things you mentioned in your question. It's an interesting discussion, but that is only something people very interested in your story or the sub-genre want to know. For most people the generic label plus a short description of the content is more than enough to judge whether they want to read something or not.
When I read the term, I thought: "romance on a planet", like this painting: queensmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/… – appeals to me more than a noble star captain or comicbook hero…. Although I see the irony in it that many wouldn't. As stated, I didn't write it to fit any genre, I was fine with saying "sci-fi" but then I realized that what I mean by sci-fi and what other people think (comicbooks, pew-pew-pew) isn't at all the same thing. Almost better to go with something that makes you go "wtf is that?" rather than walk back everything I know it isn't.
– wetcircuit
40 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit Labelling it "Sci-Fi" and having a teaser that tells us about the things your story have will tell everyone everything they need to know. You don't need to mention the differences. In fact that would probably turn away quite a few people. You need to tell the people what's good about your story, not just what is different. Obviously you can call it whatever you want, but whether that's useful to get some eyes on it is a different question. And you could also only target exactly those people that like you know the term - but that is probably a very low number of people
– Secespitus
36 mins ago
add a comment |
What did you think the term was supposed to mean when you first came across it?
You only found the term "[e]arlier this year" and you are writing a story in that genre. You are far more knowledgeable about the details of genres close to your story than the average Joe that is supposed to read this. I am a fantasy reader and have read a lot about some obscure genres outside of my usual reading habits, but I have never heard the term you used.
What I first thought when reading the question was that you were making up a new sub-genre. Never heard of planetary-romance being a thing.
And after that I had some very weird thoughts about who the love interests of a planetary-romance might be...
Sure, there may very well be quite a few people out there who know about the genre. And if you find the internet forums these people frequent they will be extremely glad that someone made the effort to understand their genre and further enrich it. They will love you for giving it a precise genre description and you will have quite a few plus points before they even start reading your story.
But I'd bet that those people are not the majority of people.
For everyone else you need to find some genre description that they have heard about and that allows them to understand the very rough things your story will be about. For the average Joe I'd still say that's "Science Fiction". Labelling it "Sci-Fi" will give you access to a whole lot of more readers. And then you will probably have a short blurb or teaser that allows them to judge whether the specifics are what they want to read. Just make sure to hint at some of the most glaring difference between "cookie-cutter sci-fi" and your story.
Different groups have different expectations for genre labels. Use the most generic one for general marketing, the more specific one in forums where people know about it and if someone asks about differences just tell them what you wrote in this question.
For the average population "Sci-Fi" is enough and will give you a wider audience that stumbles across your work. It's easy to market something as "Sci-Fi" because everyone knows something about it. Some more specialised groups, like WorldBuilding.SE, need something a little more specific, like "Space Opera". And then some might love "Planetary Romance". Adapt the specifics to your audience and if someone asks you in an interview why there are so many differences between "Sci-Fi" and your story just tell them all the things you mentioned in your question. It's an interesting discussion, but that is only something people very interested in your story or the sub-genre want to know. For most people the generic label plus a short description of the content is more than enough to judge whether they want to read something or not.
What did you think the term was supposed to mean when you first came across it?
You only found the term "[e]arlier this year" and you are writing a story in that genre. You are far more knowledgeable about the details of genres close to your story than the average Joe that is supposed to read this. I am a fantasy reader and have read a lot about some obscure genres outside of my usual reading habits, but I have never heard the term you used.
What I first thought when reading the question was that you were making up a new sub-genre. Never heard of planetary-romance being a thing.
And after that I had some very weird thoughts about who the love interests of a planetary-romance might be...
Sure, there may very well be quite a few people out there who know about the genre. And if you find the internet forums these people frequent they will be extremely glad that someone made the effort to understand their genre and further enrich it. They will love you for giving it a precise genre description and you will have quite a few plus points before they even start reading your story.
But I'd bet that those people are not the majority of people.
For everyone else you need to find some genre description that they have heard about and that allows them to understand the very rough things your story will be about. For the average Joe I'd still say that's "Science Fiction". Labelling it "Sci-Fi" will give you access to a whole lot of more readers. And then you will probably have a short blurb or teaser that allows them to judge whether the specifics are what they want to read. Just make sure to hint at some of the most glaring difference between "cookie-cutter sci-fi" and your story.
Different groups have different expectations for genre labels. Use the most generic one for general marketing, the more specific one in forums where people know about it and if someone asks about differences just tell them what you wrote in this question.
For the average population "Sci-Fi" is enough and will give you a wider audience that stumbles across your work. It's easy to market something as "Sci-Fi" because everyone knows something about it. Some more specialised groups, like WorldBuilding.SE, need something a little more specific, like "Space Opera". And then some might love "Planetary Romance". Adapt the specifics to your audience and if someone asks you in an interview why there are so many differences between "Sci-Fi" and your story just tell them all the things you mentioned in your question. It's an interesting discussion, but that is only something people very interested in your story or the sub-genre want to know. For most people the generic label plus a short description of the content is more than enough to judge whether they want to read something or not.
answered 52 mins ago
SecespitusSecespitus
5,04533378
5,04533378
When I read the term, I thought: "romance on a planet", like this painting: queensmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/… – appeals to me more than a noble star captain or comicbook hero…. Although I see the irony in it that many wouldn't. As stated, I didn't write it to fit any genre, I was fine with saying "sci-fi" but then I realized that what I mean by sci-fi and what other people think (comicbooks, pew-pew-pew) isn't at all the same thing. Almost better to go with something that makes you go "wtf is that?" rather than walk back everything I know it isn't.
– wetcircuit
40 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit Labelling it "Sci-Fi" and having a teaser that tells us about the things your story have will tell everyone everything they need to know. You don't need to mention the differences. In fact that would probably turn away quite a few people. You need to tell the people what's good about your story, not just what is different. Obviously you can call it whatever you want, but whether that's useful to get some eyes on it is a different question. And you could also only target exactly those people that like you know the term - but that is probably a very low number of people
– Secespitus
36 mins ago
add a comment |
When I read the term, I thought: "romance on a planet", like this painting: queensmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/… – appeals to me more than a noble star captain or comicbook hero…. Although I see the irony in it that many wouldn't. As stated, I didn't write it to fit any genre, I was fine with saying "sci-fi" but then I realized that what I mean by sci-fi and what other people think (comicbooks, pew-pew-pew) isn't at all the same thing. Almost better to go with something that makes you go "wtf is that?" rather than walk back everything I know it isn't.
– wetcircuit
40 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit Labelling it "Sci-Fi" and having a teaser that tells us about the things your story have will tell everyone everything they need to know. You don't need to mention the differences. In fact that would probably turn away quite a few people. You need to tell the people what's good about your story, not just what is different. Obviously you can call it whatever you want, but whether that's useful to get some eyes on it is a different question. And you could also only target exactly those people that like you know the term - but that is probably a very low number of people
– Secespitus
36 mins ago
When I read the term, I thought: "romance on a planet", like this painting: queensmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/… – appeals to me more than a noble star captain or comicbook hero…. Although I see the irony in it that many wouldn't. As stated, I didn't write it to fit any genre, I was fine with saying "sci-fi" but then I realized that what I mean by sci-fi and what other people think (comicbooks, pew-pew-pew) isn't at all the same thing. Almost better to go with something that makes you go "wtf is that?" rather than walk back everything I know it isn't.
– wetcircuit
40 mins ago
When I read the term, I thought: "romance on a planet", like this painting: queensmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/… – appeals to me more than a noble star captain or comicbook hero…. Although I see the irony in it that many wouldn't. As stated, I didn't write it to fit any genre, I was fine with saying "sci-fi" but then I realized that what I mean by sci-fi and what other people think (comicbooks, pew-pew-pew) isn't at all the same thing. Almost better to go with something that makes you go "wtf is that?" rather than walk back everything I know it isn't.
– wetcircuit
40 mins ago
1
1
@wetcircuit Labelling it "Sci-Fi" and having a teaser that tells us about the things your story have will tell everyone everything they need to know. You don't need to mention the differences. In fact that would probably turn away quite a few people. You need to tell the people what's good about your story, not just what is different. Obviously you can call it whatever you want, but whether that's useful to get some eyes on it is a different question. And you could also only target exactly those people that like you know the term - but that is probably a very low number of people
– Secespitus
36 mins ago
@wetcircuit Labelling it "Sci-Fi" and having a teaser that tells us about the things your story have will tell everyone everything they need to know. You don't need to mention the differences. In fact that would probably turn away quite a few people. You need to tell the people what's good about your story, not just what is different. Obviously you can call it whatever you want, but whether that's useful to get some eyes on it is a different question. And you could also only target exactly those people that like you know the term - but that is probably a very low number of people
– Secespitus
36 mins ago
add a comment |
This is literary science-fiction. I identified it by taking the genre it definitely must fit in, and then looking for a commonly used, readily understood modifier that subtracts the "gee whiz" elements of the genre, and adds in what for-lack-of-a-better-word we might call more "literary" qualities.
It is a well-known, critically acclaimed, and reasonably popular subgenre.
Better than making something up, or bringing something esoteric back from the dead. Thank you!
– wetcircuit
35 mins ago
add a comment |
This is literary science-fiction. I identified it by taking the genre it definitely must fit in, and then looking for a commonly used, readily understood modifier that subtracts the "gee whiz" elements of the genre, and adds in what for-lack-of-a-better-word we might call more "literary" qualities.
It is a well-known, critically acclaimed, and reasonably popular subgenre.
Better than making something up, or bringing something esoteric back from the dead. Thank you!
– wetcircuit
35 mins ago
add a comment |
This is literary science-fiction. I identified it by taking the genre it definitely must fit in, and then looking for a commonly used, readily understood modifier that subtracts the "gee whiz" elements of the genre, and adds in what for-lack-of-a-better-word we might call more "literary" qualities.
It is a well-known, critically acclaimed, and reasonably popular subgenre.
This is literary science-fiction. I identified it by taking the genre it definitely must fit in, and then looking for a commonly used, readily understood modifier that subtracts the "gee whiz" elements of the genre, and adds in what for-lack-of-a-better-word we might call more "literary" qualities.
It is a well-known, critically acclaimed, and reasonably popular subgenre.
answered 36 mins ago
Chris SunamiChris Sunami
33.9k341124
33.9k341124
Better than making something up, or bringing something esoteric back from the dead. Thank you!
– wetcircuit
35 mins ago
add a comment |
Better than making something up, or bringing something esoteric back from the dead. Thank you!
– wetcircuit
35 mins ago
Better than making something up, or bringing something esoteric back from the dead. Thank you!
– wetcircuit
35 mins ago
Better than making something up, or bringing something esoteric back from the dead. Thank you!
– wetcircuit
35 mins ago
add a comment |
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yes yes yes no yes no yes whatever.. just write the fracking story.
– ashleylee
1 hour ago
Fracking story has been written, question is whether this term is useful for marketing.
– wetcircuit
1 hour ago
Considering that George Lucas revived serial Movies and Space Opera with Star Wars and Serial Pulp Adventure with Indianan Jones, both genres that were long dead in theaters but given new life in the works. There were racial components in those genres as well but it was more product of the times and both works sort of eliminated them... India was not to happy about the Second Indianan Jones movie.
– hszmv
23 mins ago
2
Market it away, sounds catchy. But if you ask my first impression readin' the title of the quesiton, I saw Jupiter and Saturn making out. Cue in joke when Jupiter complains that Saturn's rings are itchy. @wetcircuit
– Mindwin
21 mins ago
1
@wetcircuit: in that case... NO.. it isn't.. notice how many words you had to spend to explain what it is? And I still have no idea what you are pitching..
– ashleylee
21 mins ago