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My perfect evil overlord plan… or is it?
Could an aquatic civilization discover space travel?How long before we're stuck on Earth due to Space Debris? (Kessler syndrome)The long-term ramifications of Fantasy Gun ControlEnd-user experience and prominent use cases of robust interplanetary internetCan nukes or missiles be launched remotely?What if aliens invading Earth turned out to be invisible?A cure for the 'Kessler Syndrome'?Space warfare in near-earth orbitEffects and feasability of a modern-day Olympus and HephestusIs there a technology capable of disabling the whole of Earth's satellitle network?
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Me
You might call me evil but the facts are I deserve to rule all of the world, everyone & everything in it.
What I already have done
For years I have worked in the shadows (as much as you can call owning one of the largest corporations in the world as "shadows") & now have a network of 1024 fully functioning satellites orbiting the earth. You people & your governments were actually silly enough to think they are merely communication satellites when I started launching those (well there have been a few who figured out the true use of them, but they have been silenced since).
The true use of the satellites is them being space nuclear launch facilities that are capable of wiping out humanity (or at least over 99.99% of it). Each satellite is equipped with the following:
- 12 of the largest nukes humanity has ever seen (each equal in explosive power to the strongest nuke ever produced by a "government")
- Cameras & radars of multiple wavelengths designed to detect any object launched from earth to space (assume that the network has no blind spots & covers every inch of earth)
- Sensors capable of detecting the amount of pollution, temperature of earth, & other signs of global warming.
- A directed optic laser based communication device between each satellite & the closest 5 other satellites. I'll go about this network in greater detail soon.
My plan
I intend on broadcasting to the world, letting them know about the satellites' true purpose & give them a list of my demands:
- They are not to launch anything to space; any launch of any object to space detected will trigger all the nukes' immediate launch.
- They are to stop any source of climate warming including any non 100% clean power production (see? I'm a generous ruler).
- They are all to bow down in front of me and make me the ruler of the world.
Obviously, I know that if they have any hope of stopping my extremely righteous plan they will use it, so this are the extra steps I've done to ensure that will be impossible:
- Every satellite sends a laser beam to the other 5 nearby satellites. The beam is encoded so it can't be spoofed from Earth. Should the encoding beam stopsend the wrong encoding for longer then a second all the satellites will launch their nukes & stop their own heartbeat laser beams thus triggering a cascading launch of all nukes from all satellites.
- The heartbeat beam acts as a sort of death man switch so should any satellite be destroyed again a cascading nuke launch will result in all other satellites.
- If any satellite detects the launch of anything from earth to space... you guessed it, cascading nuke launch.
- I have 100 dedicated henchman all over earth with a mobile device (a modified very strong laser pointer) that is capable of triggering a cascading nuke launch should any of them decide the world governments are not following my orders. This device is laser-based and can only trigger a launch, not stop it.
- There is no communication or control channels to the satellites, even I can't stop them.
- Should the satellites not detect a decrease in the amount of pollution pumped to the atmosphere following a preconfigured amount, you can probably guess what will happen.
Seeing as there are no humans in space in the time of launch capable of manually breaking into my satellites (I also have a kamikaze satellite going to take out the international space station), there is no network for anyone to hack into. Any new launch of anything from Earth to space will trigger the nukes from launching faster then it will take even the fastest of modern rockets to cover the distance between the atmosphere and my satellites, and the destruction of any satellite will trigger the nukes from all the other satellites in less then 2 seconds (yes I know it's risky and that random space debris might mean the death of billions of you but that's a risk I'm willing to take). I can't find a way for anyone to stop my plan.
The question
Am I right, given a modern tech level? Is there nothing that anyone can do to foil my plan? To be clear, I will consider any of the following to be my plan working as intended:
- Earth obeying my conditions.
- Humanity being (mostly) wiped out.
Is there anything I missed? anything anyone can do to stop me?
Edit
Because it's a repeating question assume all sensors will never fail... if I'm smart enough to launch this entire system to orbit without anyone knowing I'm smart enough to build a fail proof sensor (& movie logic is in place).
reality-check space satellites
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$begingroup$
Me
You might call me evil but the facts are I deserve to rule all of the world, everyone & everything in it.
What I already have done
For years I have worked in the shadows (as much as you can call owning one of the largest corporations in the world as "shadows") & now have a network of 1024 fully functioning satellites orbiting the earth. You people & your governments were actually silly enough to think they are merely communication satellites when I started launching those (well there have been a few who figured out the true use of them, but they have been silenced since).
The true use of the satellites is them being space nuclear launch facilities that are capable of wiping out humanity (or at least over 99.99% of it). Each satellite is equipped with the following:
- 12 of the largest nukes humanity has ever seen (each equal in explosive power to the strongest nuke ever produced by a "government")
- Cameras & radars of multiple wavelengths designed to detect any object launched from earth to space (assume that the network has no blind spots & covers every inch of earth)
- Sensors capable of detecting the amount of pollution, temperature of earth, & other signs of global warming.
- A directed optic laser based communication device between each satellite & the closest 5 other satellites. I'll go about this network in greater detail soon.
My plan
I intend on broadcasting to the world, letting them know about the satellites' true purpose & give them a list of my demands:
- They are not to launch anything to space; any launch of any object to space detected will trigger all the nukes' immediate launch.
- They are to stop any source of climate warming including any non 100% clean power production (see? I'm a generous ruler).
- They are all to bow down in front of me and make me the ruler of the world.
Obviously, I know that if they have any hope of stopping my extremely righteous plan they will use it, so this are the extra steps I've done to ensure that will be impossible:
- Every satellite sends a laser beam to the other 5 nearby satellites. The beam is encoded so it can't be spoofed from Earth. Should the encoding beam stopsend the wrong encoding for longer then a second all the satellites will launch their nukes & stop their own heartbeat laser beams thus triggering a cascading launch of all nukes from all satellites.
- The heartbeat beam acts as a sort of death man switch so should any satellite be destroyed again a cascading nuke launch will result in all other satellites.
- If any satellite detects the launch of anything from earth to space... you guessed it, cascading nuke launch.
- I have 100 dedicated henchman all over earth with a mobile device (a modified very strong laser pointer) that is capable of triggering a cascading nuke launch should any of them decide the world governments are not following my orders. This device is laser-based and can only trigger a launch, not stop it.
- There is no communication or control channels to the satellites, even I can't stop them.
- Should the satellites not detect a decrease in the amount of pollution pumped to the atmosphere following a preconfigured amount, you can probably guess what will happen.
Seeing as there are no humans in space in the time of launch capable of manually breaking into my satellites (I also have a kamikaze satellite going to take out the international space station), there is no network for anyone to hack into. Any new launch of anything from Earth to space will trigger the nukes from launching faster then it will take even the fastest of modern rockets to cover the distance between the atmosphere and my satellites, and the destruction of any satellite will trigger the nukes from all the other satellites in less then 2 seconds (yes I know it's risky and that random space debris might mean the death of billions of you but that's a risk I'm willing to take). I can't find a way for anyone to stop my plan.
The question
Am I right, given a modern tech level? Is there nothing that anyone can do to foil my plan? To be clear, I will consider any of the following to be my plan working as intended:
- Earth obeying my conditions.
- Humanity being (mostly) wiped out.
Is there anything I missed? anything anyone can do to stop me?
Edit
Because it's a repeating question assume all sensors will never fail... if I'm smart enough to launch this entire system to orbit without anyone knowing I'm smart enough to build a fail proof sensor (& movie logic is in place).
reality-check space satellites
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The real question is: is there any way the destruction of the Earth can be prevented? Because I can't see the world's nations being able to cooperate or prevent one nation from trying to stop this from happening, thereby triggering oblivion. You give humanity too much credit for managing a complex system. (By the way, I think that also applies to your scenario, which appears to me to be impossible due to logistics alone).
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– rje
1 hour ago
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To be clear I've written it from the point in view of a madman that happens to be a bond like villein... Yes that most likely (like over 99.99999999% likely) to be what will happen but I'm wondering is there any "hail marry" that someone will try that can work to stop my plan.
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– cypher
1 hour ago
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Hmm. An obvious weak link are your henchpeeps. They could effectively contest your 3rd demand, or at least render it unworkable, though only with the threat of killing everyone. Would you consider that a flaw?
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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(a) I don't understand why your question was downvoted. You presented a complete scenario and asked for a reality-check. That's exactly what the tag's for. so, +1. (b) There are a lot of people answering this question in comments. Guys, if you think there's a flaw in the plan, answer the question. That's the entire point of a reality-check.
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– JBH
1 hour ago
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"stop any source of climate warming" -- Had does one stop a volcano from spewing climate-altering chemicals into the atmosphere? "not to launch anything to space" -- What about research efforts that use things like high-altitude weather balloons? Are you going to nuke the planet because Felix Baumgartner wanted to set a world record?
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– Frostfyre
49 mins ago
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Me
You might call me evil but the facts are I deserve to rule all of the world, everyone & everything in it.
What I already have done
For years I have worked in the shadows (as much as you can call owning one of the largest corporations in the world as "shadows") & now have a network of 1024 fully functioning satellites orbiting the earth. You people & your governments were actually silly enough to think they are merely communication satellites when I started launching those (well there have been a few who figured out the true use of them, but they have been silenced since).
The true use of the satellites is them being space nuclear launch facilities that are capable of wiping out humanity (or at least over 99.99% of it). Each satellite is equipped with the following:
- 12 of the largest nukes humanity has ever seen (each equal in explosive power to the strongest nuke ever produced by a "government")
- Cameras & radars of multiple wavelengths designed to detect any object launched from earth to space (assume that the network has no blind spots & covers every inch of earth)
- Sensors capable of detecting the amount of pollution, temperature of earth, & other signs of global warming.
- A directed optic laser based communication device between each satellite & the closest 5 other satellites. I'll go about this network in greater detail soon.
My plan
I intend on broadcasting to the world, letting them know about the satellites' true purpose & give them a list of my demands:
- They are not to launch anything to space; any launch of any object to space detected will trigger all the nukes' immediate launch.
- They are to stop any source of climate warming including any non 100% clean power production (see? I'm a generous ruler).
- They are all to bow down in front of me and make me the ruler of the world.
Obviously, I know that if they have any hope of stopping my extremely righteous plan they will use it, so this are the extra steps I've done to ensure that will be impossible:
- Every satellite sends a laser beam to the other 5 nearby satellites. The beam is encoded so it can't be spoofed from Earth. Should the encoding beam stopsend the wrong encoding for longer then a second all the satellites will launch their nukes & stop their own heartbeat laser beams thus triggering a cascading launch of all nukes from all satellites.
- The heartbeat beam acts as a sort of death man switch so should any satellite be destroyed again a cascading nuke launch will result in all other satellites.
- If any satellite detects the launch of anything from earth to space... you guessed it, cascading nuke launch.
- I have 100 dedicated henchman all over earth with a mobile device (a modified very strong laser pointer) that is capable of triggering a cascading nuke launch should any of them decide the world governments are not following my orders. This device is laser-based and can only trigger a launch, not stop it.
- There is no communication or control channels to the satellites, even I can't stop them.
- Should the satellites not detect a decrease in the amount of pollution pumped to the atmosphere following a preconfigured amount, you can probably guess what will happen.
Seeing as there are no humans in space in the time of launch capable of manually breaking into my satellites (I also have a kamikaze satellite going to take out the international space station), there is no network for anyone to hack into. Any new launch of anything from Earth to space will trigger the nukes from launching faster then it will take even the fastest of modern rockets to cover the distance between the atmosphere and my satellites, and the destruction of any satellite will trigger the nukes from all the other satellites in less then 2 seconds (yes I know it's risky and that random space debris might mean the death of billions of you but that's a risk I'm willing to take). I can't find a way for anyone to stop my plan.
The question
Am I right, given a modern tech level? Is there nothing that anyone can do to foil my plan? To be clear, I will consider any of the following to be my plan working as intended:
- Earth obeying my conditions.
- Humanity being (mostly) wiped out.
Is there anything I missed? anything anyone can do to stop me?
Edit
Because it's a repeating question assume all sensors will never fail... if I'm smart enough to launch this entire system to orbit without anyone knowing I'm smart enough to build a fail proof sensor (& movie logic is in place).
reality-check space satellites
$endgroup$
Me
You might call me evil but the facts are I deserve to rule all of the world, everyone & everything in it.
What I already have done
For years I have worked in the shadows (as much as you can call owning one of the largest corporations in the world as "shadows") & now have a network of 1024 fully functioning satellites orbiting the earth. You people & your governments were actually silly enough to think they are merely communication satellites when I started launching those (well there have been a few who figured out the true use of them, but they have been silenced since).
The true use of the satellites is them being space nuclear launch facilities that are capable of wiping out humanity (or at least over 99.99% of it). Each satellite is equipped with the following:
- 12 of the largest nukes humanity has ever seen (each equal in explosive power to the strongest nuke ever produced by a "government")
- Cameras & radars of multiple wavelengths designed to detect any object launched from earth to space (assume that the network has no blind spots & covers every inch of earth)
- Sensors capable of detecting the amount of pollution, temperature of earth, & other signs of global warming.
- A directed optic laser based communication device between each satellite & the closest 5 other satellites. I'll go about this network in greater detail soon.
My plan
I intend on broadcasting to the world, letting them know about the satellites' true purpose & give them a list of my demands:
- They are not to launch anything to space; any launch of any object to space detected will trigger all the nukes' immediate launch.
- They are to stop any source of climate warming including any non 100% clean power production (see? I'm a generous ruler).
- They are all to bow down in front of me and make me the ruler of the world.
Obviously, I know that if they have any hope of stopping my extremely righteous plan they will use it, so this are the extra steps I've done to ensure that will be impossible:
- Every satellite sends a laser beam to the other 5 nearby satellites. The beam is encoded so it can't be spoofed from Earth. Should the encoding beam stopsend the wrong encoding for longer then a second all the satellites will launch their nukes & stop their own heartbeat laser beams thus triggering a cascading launch of all nukes from all satellites.
- The heartbeat beam acts as a sort of death man switch so should any satellite be destroyed again a cascading nuke launch will result in all other satellites.
- If any satellite detects the launch of anything from earth to space... you guessed it, cascading nuke launch.
- I have 100 dedicated henchman all over earth with a mobile device (a modified very strong laser pointer) that is capable of triggering a cascading nuke launch should any of them decide the world governments are not following my orders. This device is laser-based and can only trigger a launch, not stop it.
- There is no communication or control channels to the satellites, even I can't stop them.
- Should the satellites not detect a decrease in the amount of pollution pumped to the atmosphere following a preconfigured amount, you can probably guess what will happen.
Seeing as there are no humans in space in the time of launch capable of manually breaking into my satellites (I also have a kamikaze satellite going to take out the international space station), there is no network for anyone to hack into. Any new launch of anything from Earth to space will trigger the nukes from launching faster then it will take even the fastest of modern rockets to cover the distance between the atmosphere and my satellites, and the destruction of any satellite will trigger the nukes from all the other satellites in less then 2 seconds (yes I know it's risky and that random space debris might mean the death of billions of you but that's a risk I'm willing to take). I can't find a way for anyone to stop my plan.
The question
Am I right, given a modern tech level? Is there nothing that anyone can do to foil my plan? To be clear, I will consider any of the following to be my plan working as intended:
- Earth obeying my conditions.
- Humanity being (mostly) wiped out.
Is there anything I missed? anything anyone can do to stop me?
Edit
Because it's a repeating question assume all sensors will never fail... if I'm smart enough to launch this entire system to orbit without anyone knowing I'm smart enough to build a fail proof sensor (& movie logic is in place).
reality-check space satellites
reality-check space satellites
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The real question is: is there any way the destruction of the Earth can be prevented? Because I can't see the world's nations being able to cooperate or prevent one nation from trying to stop this from happening, thereby triggering oblivion. You give humanity too much credit for managing a complex system. (By the way, I think that also applies to your scenario, which appears to me to be impossible due to logistics alone).
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– rje
1 hour ago
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To be clear I've written it from the point in view of a madman that happens to be a bond like villein... Yes that most likely (like over 99.99999999% likely) to be what will happen but I'm wondering is there any "hail marry" that someone will try that can work to stop my plan.
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– cypher
1 hour ago
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Hmm. An obvious weak link are your henchpeeps. They could effectively contest your 3rd demand, or at least render it unworkable, though only with the threat of killing everyone. Would you consider that a flaw?
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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(a) I don't understand why your question was downvoted. You presented a complete scenario and asked for a reality-check. That's exactly what the tag's for. so, +1. (b) There are a lot of people answering this question in comments. Guys, if you think there's a flaw in the plan, answer the question. That's the entire point of a reality-check.
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– JBH
1 hour ago
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"stop any source of climate warming" -- Had does one stop a volcano from spewing climate-altering chemicals into the atmosphere? "not to launch anything to space" -- What about research efforts that use things like high-altitude weather balloons? Are you going to nuke the planet because Felix Baumgartner wanted to set a world record?
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– Frostfyre
49 mins ago
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The real question is: is there any way the destruction of the Earth can be prevented? Because I can't see the world's nations being able to cooperate or prevent one nation from trying to stop this from happening, thereby triggering oblivion. You give humanity too much credit for managing a complex system. (By the way, I think that also applies to your scenario, which appears to me to be impossible due to logistics alone).
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– rje
1 hour ago
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To be clear I've written it from the point in view of a madman that happens to be a bond like villein... Yes that most likely (like over 99.99999999% likely) to be what will happen but I'm wondering is there any "hail marry" that someone will try that can work to stop my plan.
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– cypher
1 hour ago
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Hmm. An obvious weak link are your henchpeeps. They could effectively contest your 3rd demand, or at least render it unworkable, though only with the threat of killing everyone. Would you consider that a flaw?
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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(a) I don't understand why your question was downvoted. You presented a complete scenario and asked for a reality-check. That's exactly what the tag's for. so, +1. (b) There are a lot of people answering this question in comments. Guys, if you think there's a flaw in the plan, answer the question. That's the entire point of a reality-check.
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– JBH
1 hour ago
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"stop any source of climate warming" -- Had does one stop a volcano from spewing climate-altering chemicals into the atmosphere? "not to launch anything to space" -- What about research efforts that use things like high-altitude weather balloons? Are you going to nuke the planet because Felix Baumgartner wanted to set a world record?
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– Frostfyre
49 mins ago
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The real question is: is there any way the destruction of the Earth can be prevented? Because I can't see the world's nations being able to cooperate or prevent one nation from trying to stop this from happening, thereby triggering oblivion. You give humanity too much credit for managing a complex system. (By the way, I think that also applies to your scenario, which appears to me to be impossible due to logistics alone).
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– rje
1 hour ago
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The real question is: is there any way the destruction of the Earth can be prevented? Because I can't see the world's nations being able to cooperate or prevent one nation from trying to stop this from happening, thereby triggering oblivion. You give humanity too much credit for managing a complex system. (By the way, I think that also applies to your scenario, which appears to me to be impossible due to logistics alone).
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– rje
1 hour ago
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To be clear I've written it from the point in view of a madman that happens to be a bond like villein... Yes that most likely (like over 99.99999999% likely) to be what will happen but I'm wondering is there any "hail marry" that someone will try that can work to stop my plan.
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– cypher
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
To be clear I've written it from the point in view of a madman that happens to be a bond like villein... Yes that most likely (like over 99.99999999% likely) to be what will happen but I'm wondering is there any "hail marry" that someone will try that can work to stop my plan.
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– cypher
1 hour ago
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Hmm. An obvious weak link are your henchpeeps. They could effectively contest your 3rd demand, or at least render it unworkable, though only with the threat of killing everyone. Would you consider that a flaw?
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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Hmm. An obvious weak link are your henchpeeps. They could effectively contest your 3rd demand, or at least render it unworkable, though only with the threat of killing everyone. Would you consider that a flaw?
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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(a) I don't understand why your question was downvoted. You presented a complete scenario and asked for a reality-check. That's exactly what the tag's for. so, +1. (b) There are a lot of people answering this question in comments. Guys, if you think there's a flaw in the plan, answer the question. That's the entire point of a reality-check.
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– JBH
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
(a) I don't understand why your question was downvoted. You presented a complete scenario and asked for a reality-check. That's exactly what the tag's for. so, +1. (b) There are a lot of people answering this question in comments. Guys, if you think there's a flaw in the plan, answer the question. That's the entire point of a reality-check.
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– JBH
1 hour ago
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"stop any source of climate warming" -- Had does one stop a volcano from spewing climate-altering chemicals into the atmosphere? "not to launch anything to space" -- What about research efforts that use things like high-altitude weather balloons? Are you going to nuke the planet because Felix Baumgartner wanted to set a world record?
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– Frostfyre
49 mins ago
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"stop any source of climate warming" -- Had does one stop a volcano from spewing climate-altering chemicals into the atmosphere? "not to launch anything to space" -- What about research efforts that use things like high-altitude weather balloons? Are you going to nuke the planet because Felix Baumgartner wanted to set a world record?
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– Frostfyre
49 mins ago
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First issue is that your system has so many "fail-safes" that a false positive is pretty much guaranteed to trigger a launch well before anyone has time to even discuss how to reduce emissions, much less, see any such plans through. If just one of your 6144 sensors malfunctions, or a solar flare messes with a signal, or XYZ corp doesn't get the memo in time and launches a satellite anyway, etc.
Second issue with this plan is that many governments already have anti-ballistic technologies. While most governments are rather hush-hush about the effectiveness of these systems, my bet is that you'll nuke all the 3rd world countries while the US, China, etc will probably detonate all your weapons in the upper atmosphere. There will be some significant environmental damage, but some nations might see this more as an opportunity to eliminate competition than a threat to their own safety.
Third issue with your plan (and this is the kicker), is that you will be unable to make that many nukes without someone noticing. The hardware and materials to make nukes is very specific and closely monitored by governments all over the world. Chances are, you will be discovered before your first satellite makes it to space, and WAY before you can deploy 256 gigatons worth.
So, how to make this plan work better?
To counter the 1st problem, you should consider having your loyal servants receive a notification if anything is out of order and if a set number of them agree that there is a true-positive, then they order the attack. If the governments of the world believe your system will kill them even if they do what you say, they will defy you no matter how small their odds of success.
For the second problem, don't arm your satellites. Make an actual array of communications satellites, and towers, fiber optic cabling, etc. An actual com gird will not arouse suspicion nearly as much as orbital nukes, but having control of it will be important. Instead of an orbital strike, you place a nuke in every major city around the world which can be detonated by your private network of highly redundant communications systems. Also, this means your nukes are way easier to hide; so, there is no need to detonate them all at once. If the USA does not cooperate, just blow up New York. World governments are still just as clueless about where your other nukes are; so, you still hold leverage to improve the world without destroying it. Also, this means you can work with smaller payloads. No need to buffer your arsonal with a bunch of extra warheads to account for what will be shot down, just do one nuke per city, each one only as big as it needs to be. This will mean a smaller nuclear program footprint to arouse suspicion, and less environmental damage if you have to make examples of a few cities.
For the last problem, your mega-corporation needs to invest in technologies that are LIKE a nuclear arms program, but not. You can't just hide the fact that you are enriching tons of uranium to make bombs, but perhaps, you could be enriching tons of uranium to make power plants, while cooking the books to ALSO be enriching tons of uranium to make bombs. By eliminating the need for guidance systems, heat shields, complex programming, and other components of ballistic missiles, your activities will look mostly benign. You could not do this alone, but if you position some of your 100 loyal folks in the right places in your supply, finance, and inspection chains, they could make stuff disappear while making everything look like it all adds up. This would give you a much better, though be it still small chance of going unnoticed.
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Going from a 0.0001% chance of success to a 0.0003% chance of success is a 200% improvement!
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– Frostfyre
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Yes, nations who are stupid enough to allow a thousand of what are obviously nuclear missile platforms (I mean those things are big) to be placed into LEO do deserve to be manhandled this way. However...
I can see at least one scenario: the evil overlord's systems fail to work as planned. The reasons are numerous:
Someone building these nukes realized how they'd be used and sabotaged one... or more...
A henchman has a change of heart but knows the only way to foil EO's plans is to push the button.
A henchman turns on EO and demands he acquiesce to HIS demands or else he pushes the button.
Multiple henchmen turn, threaten EO and each other, and one of them pushes the button.
The worst possible case: because it's very difficult to TEST such a system (in order to test it you have to build it and then use it and then deploy another one), then there are terrible bugs in the software and hardware that may spell a worse disaster than total annihilation: a partial annihilation that causes the slow and very painful death of humanity.
A variation of #5 is that, due to the inability to test the deployed system, any number of problems prevent it from being able to carry out its mission, with the result that maybe Costa Rica gets nuked, and the rest of the world is suddenly united in a fervor to eliminate the EO and his apparatus post haste. Fast forward to a new fascist world empire or something, and we're back to misery, but we're not dead, and the EO is dead (if lucky) or alive and very unhappy.
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2, 3 and 4 were things I had in mind for an answer myself, but if you look at the OP's responses to my comments on the question you'll see that they won't fly.
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But regarding (1): making 12k giant nukes and then launching them all into space is such a staggeringly vast enterprise with so many complex steps that it could not possibly operate in total secrecy. Absense of saboteurs seems almost implausible.
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Well it's a long shot but parts of Earth could survive if some of the nukes are intercepted. Missile defense systems using counter missiles, bullets or lasers are plausible, and the kind of thing that would be a government secret. Stopping all the nukes is unlikely but possibly the USA/China stops all/most of the nukes heading for them leading to partial survival. Nuclear winter would still be a factor but easier to survive than being nuked.
Alternatively secret government attack satellites might be in orbit and could possibly destroy several of your satellites prior to launch. Stopping all of the satellites is once again probably impossible but taking down some seems plausible.
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If a non trivial percentage of humanity survives my plan would fail... so maybe concentrating in saving some is a possible workaround
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– cypher
1 hour ago
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Given that in the OP's world, one determined person can put 12k giant nukes in space apparently without anyone noticing, the existence of massive totally secret defence systems and a pre-existing network of killsats seems entirely plausible.
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/Any new launch of anything from Earth to space will trigger the nukes from launching faster then it will take even the fastest of modern rockets to cover the distance between the atmosphere and my satellites/
What's that behind you?
Your satellites are watching vigilantly for threats from below. But there are lots of satellites already out past Earths orbit. Lunar reconnaissance satellites, Indian moon missions, solar explorers and so on.
In this scenario, a militia of satellites is drafted into service, gathered under the guidance of two Indian astronauts on their way back from the moon. This ragtag bunch of misfits quietly assembles behind the nukes and then on the signal, wipes them out before they have a chance to react.
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This is what I would have answered as well. De-orbiting a vast barrage of satellites to knock out the network all at once. Sure humanity loses a ton of infrastructure we've spent decades building up there but it saves billions of lives.
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Just push the red button
You don't care if the population of earth obeys you or is destroyed, so just push the Launch button and be done with it. The world's nations have been asleep at the wheel to let you amass a nuclear arsenal greater than the combined force of every country on earth, and to then put them into orbit on "telecommunication satellites" that are many times larger than any other communication satellite ever launched. You have everything you need to destroy the planet, so just do it already - what are you even waiting for?
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A madman never reveals his secrets... have you ever considered I want them to feel powerless before they die & know that if they just obeyed me the would have survived?
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This is less of an answer to the OP's question and more of a question itself.
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Leave the Planet
A possible solution is to send as many people into space as possible to avoid the impending nuclear destruction. They might not even need to leave Earth’s orbit, just get above the nuclear explosions.
Your best option for this is likely an SSTO (single stage to orbit) spacecraft, essentially a space plane. I believe Elon Musk, CEO of SpaceX, has plans to develop space planes for commercial purposes. A government could easily commandeer their spaceplanes and use them to ship people into space.
Although, i doubt you would be able to get many people off the planet and, even when you did, where would they go? The ISS is doomed and wouldn’t be able to hold enough people anyway. You could possibly leave people on the moon and sort things out later.
Underground Bunkers
A traditional but effective way of dealing with aerial (or orbital this case) bombardment is to get people underground. Essentially you have nuclear missile facilities, like the one in Switzerland, where the population goes in the event of a nuclear attack. This way, whilst the surface is being destroyed, a significant portion of the world population will survive the attack, far more than 0.01% you anticipated (though regrettably, those in less developed countries, such as many countries in Africa, are significantly less likely to survive).
Fight Fire With Fire
So you have thousands of nukes orbiting the planet? They are just sitting ducks up there: their trajectories are easily predictable, you have no way of communicating with them to move them (which you admitted to yourself) and there is no mention of them having any RCS thrusters or the like to dodge an incoming missile.
Whilst your satellites may be able to detect any missiles fired at them from earth, that is hardly an issue. Small, heat-seeking counter-missiles can be fired from everywhere on Earth as soon as you fire your nukes. Triggering the sensors wouldn't even matter at that point, the payload has already been fired. The idea is that these counter-missiles would detonate your nukes well before they hit the ground and, because of the size of your nukes, the nuclear explosion is likely to cause a domino effect, destroying the rest of the payload and the satelite that fired those nukes.
Doing this to the first missile you fired from every satellite could save billions of lives. 1024 missiles is not a lot relative to the entire world’s weaponry. Also, they don’t even have to be large or powerful missiles, just a small explosion to trigger the nukes that you fired. Whilst the population of Earth may have to worry about a nuclear winter, at least many people have survived and your plan has been foiled.
Operation: Smokescreen
Whilst you mention your sensors will never fail, perhaps this can be used against you. It may be possible to trick your sensors or blind them. Using emitters, it may be possible to replicate the signal the satellites are receiving which prevents them from detonating. Doing this to all the satellites in the world could buy humanity some time, you can now no longer control when they do or don't fire, it doesn't matter anymore if your henchmen stop the signal, the satellites are still receiving the same signal from other emitters, nullifying your control.
Alternatively, you could also trick the sensors into believing nothing has been fired from earth by relaying a false signal to the sensors. Its essentially the equivalent of placing a photograph in front of a CCTV camera. Again, this would buy people more time to deal with the satellites.
Call Your Bluff
If your goal is to become the ruler of Earth and everyone and everything in it, you aren’t actually going to fire the missiles.
Okay so lets assume you aren’t bluffing and you actually fire the missiles, everyone and everything on Earth is killed and destroyed. Now what?
You are now the king of dead world. An irradiated, uninhabitable wasteland of a planet. No architecture exists, no life exists, everything has been annihilated by your hand. What was the point? There is no one rule, no governments to control, no wealth to accumulate, there is nothing. If your goal was to rule the world then you have failed, there is nothing left to rule. Your failure will haunt you for as long as you live and will be evident long after you’re gone, the husk of a planet you left in ruin will remain there, lifeless, for the rest of its days.
Humanity can simply call your bluff, you will not destroy the world because you stand to gain nothing by doing so.
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First issue is that your system has so many "fail-safes" that a false positive is pretty much guaranteed to trigger a launch well before anyone has time to even discuss how to reduce emissions, much less, see any such plans through. If just one of your 6144 sensors malfunctions, or a solar flare messes with a signal, or XYZ corp doesn't get the memo in time and launches a satellite anyway, etc.
Second issue with this plan is that many governments already have anti-ballistic technologies. While most governments are rather hush-hush about the effectiveness of these systems, my bet is that you'll nuke all the 3rd world countries while the US, China, etc will probably detonate all your weapons in the upper atmosphere. There will be some significant environmental damage, but some nations might see this more as an opportunity to eliminate competition than a threat to their own safety.
Third issue with your plan (and this is the kicker), is that you will be unable to make that many nukes without someone noticing. The hardware and materials to make nukes is very specific and closely monitored by governments all over the world. Chances are, you will be discovered before your first satellite makes it to space, and WAY before you can deploy 256 gigatons worth.
So, how to make this plan work better?
To counter the 1st problem, you should consider having your loyal servants receive a notification if anything is out of order and if a set number of them agree that there is a true-positive, then they order the attack. If the governments of the world believe your system will kill them even if they do what you say, they will defy you no matter how small their odds of success.
For the second problem, don't arm your satellites. Make an actual array of communications satellites, and towers, fiber optic cabling, etc. An actual com gird will not arouse suspicion nearly as much as orbital nukes, but having control of it will be important. Instead of an orbital strike, you place a nuke in every major city around the world which can be detonated by your private network of highly redundant communications systems. Also, this means your nukes are way easier to hide; so, there is no need to detonate them all at once. If the USA does not cooperate, just blow up New York. World governments are still just as clueless about where your other nukes are; so, you still hold leverage to improve the world without destroying it. Also, this means you can work with smaller payloads. No need to buffer your arsonal with a bunch of extra warheads to account for what will be shot down, just do one nuke per city, each one only as big as it needs to be. This will mean a smaller nuclear program footprint to arouse suspicion, and less environmental damage if you have to make examples of a few cities.
For the last problem, your mega-corporation needs to invest in technologies that are LIKE a nuclear arms program, but not. You can't just hide the fact that you are enriching tons of uranium to make bombs, but perhaps, you could be enriching tons of uranium to make power plants, while cooking the books to ALSO be enriching tons of uranium to make bombs. By eliminating the need for guidance systems, heat shields, complex programming, and other components of ballistic missiles, your activities will look mostly benign. You could not do this alone, but if you position some of your 100 loyal folks in the right places in your supply, finance, and inspection chains, they could make stuff disappear while making everything look like it all adds up. This would give you a much better, though be it still small chance of going unnoticed.
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Going from a 0.0001% chance of success to a 0.0003% chance of success is a 200% improvement!
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– Frostfyre
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First issue is that your system has so many "fail-safes" that a false positive is pretty much guaranteed to trigger a launch well before anyone has time to even discuss how to reduce emissions, much less, see any such plans through. If just one of your 6144 sensors malfunctions, or a solar flare messes with a signal, or XYZ corp doesn't get the memo in time and launches a satellite anyway, etc.
Second issue with this plan is that many governments already have anti-ballistic technologies. While most governments are rather hush-hush about the effectiveness of these systems, my bet is that you'll nuke all the 3rd world countries while the US, China, etc will probably detonate all your weapons in the upper atmosphere. There will be some significant environmental damage, but some nations might see this more as an opportunity to eliminate competition than a threat to their own safety.
Third issue with your plan (and this is the kicker), is that you will be unable to make that many nukes without someone noticing. The hardware and materials to make nukes is very specific and closely monitored by governments all over the world. Chances are, you will be discovered before your first satellite makes it to space, and WAY before you can deploy 256 gigatons worth.
So, how to make this plan work better?
To counter the 1st problem, you should consider having your loyal servants receive a notification if anything is out of order and if a set number of them agree that there is a true-positive, then they order the attack. If the governments of the world believe your system will kill them even if they do what you say, they will defy you no matter how small their odds of success.
For the second problem, don't arm your satellites. Make an actual array of communications satellites, and towers, fiber optic cabling, etc. An actual com gird will not arouse suspicion nearly as much as orbital nukes, but having control of it will be important. Instead of an orbital strike, you place a nuke in every major city around the world which can be detonated by your private network of highly redundant communications systems. Also, this means your nukes are way easier to hide; so, there is no need to detonate them all at once. If the USA does not cooperate, just blow up New York. World governments are still just as clueless about where your other nukes are; so, you still hold leverage to improve the world without destroying it. Also, this means you can work with smaller payloads. No need to buffer your arsonal with a bunch of extra warheads to account for what will be shot down, just do one nuke per city, each one only as big as it needs to be. This will mean a smaller nuclear program footprint to arouse suspicion, and less environmental damage if you have to make examples of a few cities.
For the last problem, your mega-corporation needs to invest in technologies that are LIKE a nuclear arms program, but not. You can't just hide the fact that you are enriching tons of uranium to make bombs, but perhaps, you could be enriching tons of uranium to make power plants, while cooking the books to ALSO be enriching tons of uranium to make bombs. By eliminating the need for guidance systems, heat shields, complex programming, and other components of ballistic missiles, your activities will look mostly benign. You could not do this alone, but if you position some of your 100 loyal folks in the right places in your supply, finance, and inspection chains, they could make stuff disappear while making everything look like it all adds up. This would give you a much better, though be it still small chance of going unnoticed.
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Going from a 0.0001% chance of success to a 0.0003% chance of success is a 200% improvement!
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– Frostfyre
59 mins ago
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First issue is that your system has so many "fail-safes" that a false positive is pretty much guaranteed to trigger a launch well before anyone has time to even discuss how to reduce emissions, much less, see any such plans through. If just one of your 6144 sensors malfunctions, or a solar flare messes with a signal, or XYZ corp doesn't get the memo in time and launches a satellite anyway, etc.
Second issue with this plan is that many governments already have anti-ballistic technologies. While most governments are rather hush-hush about the effectiveness of these systems, my bet is that you'll nuke all the 3rd world countries while the US, China, etc will probably detonate all your weapons in the upper atmosphere. There will be some significant environmental damage, but some nations might see this more as an opportunity to eliminate competition than a threat to their own safety.
Third issue with your plan (and this is the kicker), is that you will be unable to make that many nukes without someone noticing. The hardware and materials to make nukes is very specific and closely monitored by governments all over the world. Chances are, you will be discovered before your first satellite makes it to space, and WAY before you can deploy 256 gigatons worth.
So, how to make this plan work better?
To counter the 1st problem, you should consider having your loyal servants receive a notification if anything is out of order and if a set number of them agree that there is a true-positive, then they order the attack. If the governments of the world believe your system will kill them even if they do what you say, they will defy you no matter how small their odds of success.
For the second problem, don't arm your satellites. Make an actual array of communications satellites, and towers, fiber optic cabling, etc. An actual com gird will not arouse suspicion nearly as much as orbital nukes, but having control of it will be important. Instead of an orbital strike, you place a nuke in every major city around the world which can be detonated by your private network of highly redundant communications systems. Also, this means your nukes are way easier to hide; so, there is no need to detonate them all at once. If the USA does not cooperate, just blow up New York. World governments are still just as clueless about where your other nukes are; so, you still hold leverage to improve the world without destroying it. Also, this means you can work with smaller payloads. No need to buffer your arsonal with a bunch of extra warheads to account for what will be shot down, just do one nuke per city, each one only as big as it needs to be. This will mean a smaller nuclear program footprint to arouse suspicion, and less environmental damage if you have to make examples of a few cities.
For the last problem, your mega-corporation needs to invest in technologies that are LIKE a nuclear arms program, but not. You can't just hide the fact that you are enriching tons of uranium to make bombs, but perhaps, you could be enriching tons of uranium to make power plants, while cooking the books to ALSO be enriching tons of uranium to make bombs. By eliminating the need for guidance systems, heat shields, complex programming, and other components of ballistic missiles, your activities will look mostly benign. You could not do this alone, but if you position some of your 100 loyal folks in the right places in your supply, finance, and inspection chains, they could make stuff disappear while making everything look like it all adds up. This would give you a much better, though be it still small chance of going unnoticed.
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First issue is that your system has so many "fail-safes" that a false positive is pretty much guaranteed to trigger a launch well before anyone has time to even discuss how to reduce emissions, much less, see any such plans through. If just one of your 6144 sensors malfunctions, or a solar flare messes with a signal, or XYZ corp doesn't get the memo in time and launches a satellite anyway, etc.
Second issue with this plan is that many governments already have anti-ballistic technologies. While most governments are rather hush-hush about the effectiveness of these systems, my bet is that you'll nuke all the 3rd world countries while the US, China, etc will probably detonate all your weapons in the upper atmosphere. There will be some significant environmental damage, but some nations might see this more as an opportunity to eliminate competition than a threat to their own safety.
Third issue with your plan (and this is the kicker), is that you will be unable to make that many nukes without someone noticing. The hardware and materials to make nukes is very specific and closely monitored by governments all over the world. Chances are, you will be discovered before your first satellite makes it to space, and WAY before you can deploy 256 gigatons worth.
So, how to make this plan work better?
To counter the 1st problem, you should consider having your loyal servants receive a notification if anything is out of order and if a set number of them agree that there is a true-positive, then they order the attack. If the governments of the world believe your system will kill them even if they do what you say, they will defy you no matter how small their odds of success.
For the second problem, don't arm your satellites. Make an actual array of communications satellites, and towers, fiber optic cabling, etc. An actual com gird will not arouse suspicion nearly as much as orbital nukes, but having control of it will be important. Instead of an orbital strike, you place a nuke in every major city around the world which can be detonated by your private network of highly redundant communications systems. Also, this means your nukes are way easier to hide; so, there is no need to detonate them all at once. If the USA does not cooperate, just blow up New York. World governments are still just as clueless about where your other nukes are; so, you still hold leverage to improve the world without destroying it. Also, this means you can work with smaller payloads. No need to buffer your arsonal with a bunch of extra warheads to account for what will be shot down, just do one nuke per city, each one only as big as it needs to be. This will mean a smaller nuclear program footprint to arouse suspicion, and less environmental damage if you have to make examples of a few cities.
For the last problem, your mega-corporation needs to invest in technologies that are LIKE a nuclear arms program, but not. You can't just hide the fact that you are enriching tons of uranium to make bombs, but perhaps, you could be enriching tons of uranium to make power plants, while cooking the books to ALSO be enriching tons of uranium to make bombs. By eliminating the need for guidance systems, heat shields, complex programming, and other components of ballistic missiles, your activities will look mostly benign. You could not do this alone, but if you position some of your 100 loyal folks in the right places in your supply, finance, and inspection chains, they could make stuff disappear while making everything look like it all adds up. This would give you a much better, though be it still small chance of going unnoticed.
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Going from a 0.0001% chance of success to a 0.0003% chance of success is a 200% improvement!
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– Frostfyre
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Going from a 0.0001% chance of success to a 0.0003% chance of success is a 200% improvement!
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– Frostfyre
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Going from a 0.0001% chance of success to a 0.0003% chance of success is a 200% improvement!
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– Frostfyre
59 mins ago
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Going from a 0.0001% chance of success to a 0.0003% chance of success is a 200% improvement!
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Yes, nations who are stupid enough to allow a thousand of what are obviously nuclear missile platforms (I mean those things are big) to be placed into LEO do deserve to be manhandled this way. However...
I can see at least one scenario: the evil overlord's systems fail to work as planned. The reasons are numerous:
Someone building these nukes realized how they'd be used and sabotaged one... or more...
A henchman has a change of heart but knows the only way to foil EO's plans is to push the button.
A henchman turns on EO and demands he acquiesce to HIS demands or else he pushes the button.
Multiple henchmen turn, threaten EO and each other, and one of them pushes the button.
The worst possible case: because it's very difficult to TEST such a system (in order to test it you have to build it and then use it and then deploy another one), then there are terrible bugs in the software and hardware that may spell a worse disaster than total annihilation: a partial annihilation that causes the slow and very painful death of humanity.
A variation of #5 is that, due to the inability to test the deployed system, any number of problems prevent it from being able to carry out its mission, with the result that maybe Costa Rica gets nuked, and the rest of the world is suddenly united in a fervor to eliminate the EO and his apparatus post haste. Fast forward to a new fascist world empire or something, and we're back to misery, but we're not dead, and the EO is dead (if lucky) or alive and very unhappy.
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2, 3 and 4 were things I had in mind for an answer myself, but if you look at the OP's responses to my comments on the question you'll see that they won't fly.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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But regarding (1): making 12k giant nukes and then launching them all into space is such a staggeringly vast enterprise with so many complex steps that it could not possibly operate in total secrecy. Absense of saboteurs seems almost implausible.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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Yes, nations who are stupid enough to allow a thousand of what are obviously nuclear missile platforms (I mean those things are big) to be placed into LEO do deserve to be manhandled this way. However...
I can see at least one scenario: the evil overlord's systems fail to work as planned. The reasons are numerous:
Someone building these nukes realized how they'd be used and sabotaged one... or more...
A henchman has a change of heart but knows the only way to foil EO's plans is to push the button.
A henchman turns on EO and demands he acquiesce to HIS demands or else he pushes the button.
Multiple henchmen turn, threaten EO and each other, and one of them pushes the button.
The worst possible case: because it's very difficult to TEST such a system (in order to test it you have to build it and then use it and then deploy another one), then there are terrible bugs in the software and hardware that may spell a worse disaster than total annihilation: a partial annihilation that causes the slow and very painful death of humanity.
A variation of #5 is that, due to the inability to test the deployed system, any number of problems prevent it from being able to carry out its mission, with the result that maybe Costa Rica gets nuked, and the rest of the world is suddenly united in a fervor to eliminate the EO and his apparatus post haste. Fast forward to a new fascist world empire or something, and we're back to misery, but we're not dead, and the EO is dead (if lucky) or alive and very unhappy.
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2, 3 and 4 were things I had in mind for an answer myself, but if you look at the OP's responses to my comments on the question you'll see that they won't fly.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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But regarding (1): making 12k giant nukes and then launching them all into space is such a staggeringly vast enterprise with so many complex steps that it could not possibly operate in total secrecy. Absense of saboteurs seems almost implausible.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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Yes, nations who are stupid enough to allow a thousand of what are obviously nuclear missile platforms (I mean those things are big) to be placed into LEO do deserve to be manhandled this way. However...
I can see at least one scenario: the evil overlord's systems fail to work as planned. The reasons are numerous:
Someone building these nukes realized how they'd be used and sabotaged one... or more...
A henchman has a change of heart but knows the only way to foil EO's plans is to push the button.
A henchman turns on EO and demands he acquiesce to HIS demands or else he pushes the button.
Multiple henchmen turn, threaten EO and each other, and one of them pushes the button.
The worst possible case: because it's very difficult to TEST such a system (in order to test it you have to build it and then use it and then deploy another one), then there are terrible bugs in the software and hardware that may spell a worse disaster than total annihilation: a partial annihilation that causes the slow and very painful death of humanity.
A variation of #5 is that, due to the inability to test the deployed system, any number of problems prevent it from being able to carry out its mission, with the result that maybe Costa Rica gets nuked, and the rest of the world is suddenly united in a fervor to eliminate the EO and his apparatus post haste. Fast forward to a new fascist world empire or something, and we're back to misery, but we're not dead, and the EO is dead (if lucky) or alive and very unhappy.
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Yes, nations who are stupid enough to allow a thousand of what are obviously nuclear missile platforms (I mean those things are big) to be placed into LEO do deserve to be manhandled this way. However...
I can see at least one scenario: the evil overlord's systems fail to work as planned. The reasons are numerous:
Someone building these nukes realized how they'd be used and sabotaged one... or more...
A henchman has a change of heart but knows the only way to foil EO's plans is to push the button.
A henchman turns on EO and demands he acquiesce to HIS demands or else he pushes the button.
Multiple henchmen turn, threaten EO and each other, and one of them pushes the button.
The worst possible case: because it's very difficult to TEST such a system (in order to test it you have to build it and then use it and then deploy another one), then there are terrible bugs in the software and hardware that may spell a worse disaster than total annihilation: a partial annihilation that causes the slow and very painful death of humanity.
A variation of #5 is that, due to the inability to test the deployed system, any number of problems prevent it from being able to carry out its mission, with the result that maybe Costa Rica gets nuked, and the rest of the world is suddenly united in a fervor to eliminate the EO and his apparatus post haste. Fast forward to a new fascist world empire or something, and we're back to misery, but we're not dead, and the EO is dead (if lucky) or alive and very unhappy.
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answered 1 hour ago
rjerje
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2, 3 and 4 were things I had in mind for an answer myself, but if you look at the OP's responses to my comments on the question you'll see that they won't fly.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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But regarding (1): making 12k giant nukes and then launching them all into space is such a staggeringly vast enterprise with so many complex steps that it could not possibly operate in total secrecy. Absense of saboteurs seems almost implausible.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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2, 3 and 4 were things I had in mind for an answer myself, but if you look at the OP's responses to my comments on the question you'll see that they won't fly.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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But regarding (1): making 12k giant nukes and then launching them all into space is such a staggeringly vast enterprise with so many complex steps that it could not possibly operate in total secrecy. Absense of saboteurs seems almost implausible.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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2, 3 and 4 were things I had in mind for an answer myself, but if you look at the OP's responses to my comments on the question you'll see that they won't fly.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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2, 3 and 4 were things I had in mind for an answer myself, but if you look at the OP's responses to my comments on the question you'll see that they won't fly.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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But regarding (1): making 12k giant nukes and then launching them all into space is such a staggeringly vast enterprise with so many complex steps that it could not possibly operate in total secrecy. Absense of saboteurs seems almost implausible.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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But regarding (1): making 12k giant nukes and then launching them all into space is such a staggeringly vast enterprise with so many complex steps that it could not possibly operate in total secrecy. Absense of saboteurs seems almost implausible.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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Well it's a long shot but parts of Earth could survive if some of the nukes are intercepted. Missile defense systems using counter missiles, bullets or lasers are plausible, and the kind of thing that would be a government secret. Stopping all the nukes is unlikely but possibly the USA/China stops all/most of the nukes heading for them leading to partial survival. Nuclear winter would still be a factor but easier to survive than being nuked.
Alternatively secret government attack satellites might be in orbit and could possibly destroy several of your satellites prior to launch. Stopping all of the satellites is once again probably impossible but taking down some seems plausible.
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If a non trivial percentage of humanity survives my plan would fail... so maybe concentrating in saving some is a possible workaround
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– cypher
1 hour ago
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Given that in the OP's world, one determined person can put 12k giant nukes in space apparently without anyone noticing, the existence of massive totally secret defence systems and a pre-existing network of killsats seems entirely plausible.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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Well it's a long shot but parts of Earth could survive if some of the nukes are intercepted. Missile defense systems using counter missiles, bullets or lasers are plausible, and the kind of thing that would be a government secret. Stopping all the nukes is unlikely but possibly the USA/China stops all/most of the nukes heading for them leading to partial survival. Nuclear winter would still be a factor but easier to survive than being nuked.
Alternatively secret government attack satellites might be in orbit and could possibly destroy several of your satellites prior to launch. Stopping all of the satellites is once again probably impossible but taking down some seems plausible.
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If a non trivial percentage of humanity survives my plan would fail... so maybe concentrating in saving some is a possible workaround
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– cypher
1 hour ago
3
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Given that in the OP's world, one determined person can put 12k giant nukes in space apparently without anyone noticing, the existence of massive totally secret defence systems and a pre-existing network of killsats seems entirely plausible.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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Well it's a long shot but parts of Earth could survive if some of the nukes are intercepted. Missile defense systems using counter missiles, bullets or lasers are plausible, and the kind of thing that would be a government secret. Stopping all the nukes is unlikely but possibly the USA/China stops all/most of the nukes heading for them leading to partial survival. Nuclear winter would still be a factor but easier to survive than being nuked.
Alternatively secret government attack satellites might be in orbit and could possibly destroy several of your satellites prior to launch. Stopping all of the satellites is once again probably impossible but taking down some seems plausible.
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Well it's a long shot but parts of Earth could survive if some of the nukes are intercepted. Missile defense systems using counter missiles, bullets or lasers are plausible, and the kind of thing that would be a government secret. Stopping all the nukes is unlikely but possibly the USA/China stops all/most of the nukes heading for them leading to partial survival. Nuclear winter would still be a factor but easier to survive than being nuked.
Alternatively secret government attack satellites might be in orbit and could possibly destroy several of your satellites prior to launch. Stopping all of the satellites is once again probably impossible but taking down some seems plausible.
answered 1 hour ago
EricEric
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If a non trivial percentage of humanity survives my plan would fail... so maybe concentrating in saving some is a possible workaround
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– cypher
1 hour ago
3
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Given that in the OP's world, one determined person can put 12k giant nukes in space apparently without anyone noticing, the existence of massive totally secret defence systems and a pre-existing network of killsats seems entirely plausible.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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If a non trivial percentage of humanity survives my plan would fail... so maybe concentrating in saving some is a possible workaround
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– cypher
1 hour ago
3
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Given that in the OP's world, one determined person can put 12k giant nukes in space apparently without anyone noticing, the existence of massive totally secret defence systems and a pre-existing network of killsats seems entirely plausible.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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If a non trivial percentage of humanity survives my plan would fail... so maybe concentrating in saving some is a possible workaround
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– cypher
1 hour ago
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If a non trivial percentage of humanity survives my plan would fail... so maybe concentrating in saving some is a possible workaround
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– cypher
1 hour ago
3
3
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Given that in the OP's world, one determined person can put 12k giant nukes in space apparently without anyone noticing, the existence of massive totally secret defence systems and a pre-existing network of killsats seems entirely plausible.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Given that in the OP's world, one determined person can put 12k giant nukes in space apparently without anyone noticing, the existence of massive totally secret defence systems and a pre-existing network of killsats seems entirely plausible.
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– Starfish Prime
1 hour ago
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/Any new launch of anything from Earth to space will trigger the nukes from launching faster then it will take even the fastest of modern rockets to cover the distance between the atmosphere and my satellites/
What's that behind you?
Your satellites are watching vigilantly for threats from below. But there are lots of satellites already out past Earths orbit. Lunar reconnaissance satellites, Indian moon missions, solar explorers and so on.
In this scenario, a militia of satellites is drafted into service, gathered under the guidance of two Indian astronauts on their way back from the moon. This ragtag bunch of misfits quietly assembles behind the nukes and then on the signal, wipes them out before they have a chance to react.
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This is what I would have answered as well. De-orbiting a vast barrage of satellites to knock out the network all at once. Sure humanity loses a ton of infrastructure we've spent decades building up there but it saves billions of lives.
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– Muuski
31 mins ago
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/Any new launch of anything from Earth to space will trigger the nukes from launching faster then it will take even the fastest of modern rockets to cover the distance between the atmosphere and my satellites/
What's that behind you?
Your satellites are watching vigilantly for threats from below. But there are lots of satellites already out past Earths orbit. Lunar reconnaissance satellites, Indian moon missions, solar explorers and so on.
In this scenario, a militia of satellites is drafted into service, gathered under the guidance of two Indian astronauts on their way back from the moon. This ragtag bunch of misfits quietly assembles behind the nukes and then on the signal, wipes them out before they have a chance to react.
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This is what I would have answered as well. De-orbiting a vast barrage of satellites to knock out the network all at once. Sure humanity loses a ton of infrastructure we've spent decades building up there but it saves billions of lives.
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– Muuski
31 mins ago
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/Any new launch of anything from Earth to space will trigger the nukes from launching faster then it will take even the fastest of modern rockets to cover the distance between the atmosphere and my satellites/
What's that behind you?
Your satellites are watching vigilantly for threats from below. But there are lots of satellites already out past Earths orbit. Lunar reconnaissance satellites, Indian moon missions, solar explorers and so on.
In this scenario, a militia of satellites is drafted into service, gathered under the guidance of two Indian astronauts on their way back from the moon. This ragtag bunch of misfits quietly assembles behind the nukes and then on the signal, wipes them out before they have a chance to react.
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/Any new launch of anything from Earth to space will trigger the nukes from launching faster then it will take even the fastest of modern rockets to cover the distance between the atmosphere and my satellites/
What's that behind you?
Your satellites are watching vigilantly for threats from below. But there are lots of satellites already out past Earths orbit. Lunar reconnaissance satellites, Indian moon missions, solar explorers and so on.
In this scenario, a militia of satellites is drafted into service, gathered under the guidance of two Indian astronauts on their way back from the moon. This ragtag bunch of misfits quietly assembles behind the nukes and then on the signal, wipes them out before they have a chance to react.
answered 47 mins ago
WillkWillk
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This is what I would have answered as well. De-orbiting a vast barrage of satellites to knock out the network all at once. Sure humanity loses a ton of infrastructure we've spent decades building up there but it saves billions of lives.
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– Muuski
31 mins ago
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This is what I would have answered as well. De-orbiting a vast barrage of satellites to knock out the network all at once. Sure humanity loses a ton of infrastructure we've spent decades building up there but it saves billions of lives.
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– Muuski
31 mins ago
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This is what I would have answered as well. De-orbiting a vast barrage of satellites to knock out the network all at once. Sure humanity loses a ton of infrastructure we've spent decades building up there but it saves billions of lives.
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– Muuski
31 mins ago
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This is what I would have answered as well. De-orbiting a vast barrage of satellites to knock out the network all at once. Sure humanity loses a ton of infrastructure we've spent decades building up there but it saves billions of lives.
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– Muuski
31 mins ago
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Just push the red button
You don't care if the population of earth obeys you or is destroyed, so just push the Launch button and be done with it. The world's nations have been asleep at the wheel to let you amass a nuclear arsenal greater than the combined force of every country on earth, and to then put them into orbit on "telecommunication satellites" that are many times larger than any other communication satellite ever launched. You have everything you need to destroy the planet, so just do it already - what are you even waiting for?
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A madman never reveals his secrets... have you ever considered I want them to feel powerless before they die & know that if they just obeyed me the would have survived?
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– cypher
1 hour ago
1
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This is less of an answer to the OP's question and more of a question itself.
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– Muuski
36 mins ago
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Just push the red button
You don't care if the population of earth obeys you or is destroyed, so just push the Launch button and be done with it. The world's nations have been asleep at the wheel to let you amass a nuclear arsenal greater than the combined force of every country on earth, and to then put them into orbit on "telecommunication satellites" that are many times larger than any other communication satellite ever launched. You have everything you need to destroy the planet, so just do it already - what are you even waiting for?
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A madman never reveals his secrets... have you ever considered I want them to feel powerless before they die & know that if they just obeyed me the would have survived?
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– cypher
1 hour ago
1
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This is less of an answer to the OP's question and more of a question itself.
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– Muuski
36 mins ago
add a comment |
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Just push the red button
You don't care if the population of earth obeys you or is destroyed, so just push the Launch button and be done with it. The world's nations have been asleep at the wheel to let you amass a nuclear arsenal greater than the combined force of every country on earth, and to then put them into orbit on "telecommunication satellites" that are many times larger than any other communication satellite ever launched. You have everything you need to destroy the planet, so just do it already - what are you even waiting for?
$endgroup$
Just push the red button
You don't care if the population of earth obeys you or is destroyed, so just push the Launch button and be done with it. The world's nations have been asleep at the wheel to let you amass a nuclear arsenal greater than the combined force of every country on earth, and to then put them into orbit on "telecommunication satellites" that are many times larger than any other communication satellite ever launched. You have everything you need to destroy the planet, so just do it already - what are you even waiting for?
answered 1 hour ago
Nuclear WangNuclear Wang
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A madman never reveals his secrets... have you ever considered I want them to feel powerless before they die & know that if they just obeyed me the would have survived?
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– cypher
1 hour ago
1
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This is less of an answer to the OP's question and more of a question itself.
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– Muuski
36 mins ago
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A madman never reveals his secrets... have you ever considered I want them to feel powerless before they die & know that if they just obeyed me the would have survived?
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– cypher
1 hour ago
1
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This is less of an answer to the OP's question and more of a question itself.
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– Muuski
36 mins ago
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A madman never reveals his secrets... have you ever considered I want them to feel powerless before they die & know that if they just obeyed me the would have survived?
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– cypher
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
A madman never reveals his secrets... have you ever considered I want them to feel powerless before they die & know that if they just obeyed me the would have survived?
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– cypher
1 hour ago
1
1
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This is less of an answer to the OP's question and more of a question itself.
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– Muuski
36 mins ago
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This is less of an answer to the OP's question and more of a question itself.
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– Muuski
36 mins ago
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Leave the Planet
A possible solution is to send as many people into space as possible to avoid the impending nuclear destruction. They might not even need to leave Earth’s orbit, just get above the nuclear explosions.
Your best option for this is likely an SSTO (single stage to orbit) spacecraft, essentially a space plane. I believe Elon Musk, CEO of SpaceX, has plans to develop space planes for commercial purposes. A government could easily commandeer their spaceplanes and use them to ship people into space.
Although, i doubt you would be able to get many people off the planet and, even when you did, where would they go? The ISS is doomed and wouldn’t be able to hold enough people anyway. You could possibly leave people on the moon and sort things out later.
Underground Bunkers
A traditional but effective way of dealing with aerial (or orbital this case) bombardment is to get people underground. Essentially you have nuclear missile facilities, like the one in Switzerland, where the population goes in the event of a nuclear attack. This way, whilst the surface is being destroyed, a significant portion of the world population will survive the attack, far more than 0.01% you anticipated (though regrettably, those in less developed countries, such as many countries in Africa, are significantly less likely to survive).
Fight Fire With Fire
So you have thousands of nukes orbiting the planet? They are just sitting ducks up there: their trajectories are easily predictable, you have no way of communicating with them to move them (which you admitted to yourself) and there is no mention of them having any RCS thrusters or the like to dodge an incoming missile.
Whilst your satellites may be able to detect any missiles fired at them from earth, that is hardly an issue. Small, heat-seeking counter-missiles can be fired from everywhere on Earth as soon as you fire your nukes. Triggering the sensors wouldn't even matter at that point, the payload has already been fired. The idea is that these counter-missiles would detonate your nukes well before they hit the ground and, because of the size of your nukes, the nuclear explosion is likely to cause a domino effect, destroying the rest of the payload and the satelite that fired those nukes.
Doing this to the first missile you fired from every satellite could save billions of lives. 1024 missiles is not a lot relative to the entire world’s weaponry. Also, they don’t even have to be large or powerful missiles, just a small explosion to trigger the nukes that you fired. Whilst the population of Earth may have to worry about a nuclear winter, at least many people have survived and your plan has been foiled.
Operation: Smokescreen
Whilst you mention your sensors will never fail, perhaps this can be used against you. It may be possible to trick your sensors or blind them. Using emitters, it may be possible to replicate the signal the satellites are receiving which prevents them from detonating. Doing this to all the satellites in the world could buy humanity some time, you can now no longer control when they do or don't fire, it doesn't matter anymore if your henchmen stop the signal, the satellites are still receiving the same signal from other emitters, nullifying your control.
Alternatively, you could also trick the sensors into believing nothing has been fired from earth by relaying a false signal to the sensors. Its essentially the equivalent of placing a photograph in front of a CCTV camera. Again, this would buy people more time to deal with the satellites.
Call Your Bluff
If your goal is to become the ruler of Earth and everyone and everything in it, you aren’t actually going to fire the missiles.
Okay so lets assume you aren’t bluffing and you actually fire the missiles, everyone and everything on Earth is killed and destroyed. Now what?
You are now the king of dead world. An irradiated, uninhabitable wasteland of a planet. No architecture exists, no life exists, everything has been annihilated by your hand. What was the point? There is no one rule, no governments to control, no wealth to accumulate, there is nothing. If your goal was to rule the world then you have failed, there is nothing left to rule. Your failure will haunt you for as long as you live and will be evident long after you’re gone, the husk of a planet you left in ruin will remain there, lifeless, for the rest of its days.
Humanity can simply call your bluff, you will not destroy the world because you stand to gain nothing by doing so.
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Leave the Planet
A possible solution is to send as many people into space as possible to avoid the impending nuclear destruction. They might not even need to leave Earth’s orbit, just get above the nuclear explosions.
Your best option for this is likely an SSTO (single stage to orbit) spacecraft, essentially a space plane. I believe Elon Musk, CEO of SpaceX, has plans to develop space planes for commercial purposes. A government could easily commandeer their spaceplanes and use them to ship people into space.
Although, i doubt you would be able to get many people off the planet and, even when you did, where would they go? The ISS is doomed and wouldn’t be able to hold enough people anyway. You could possibly leave people on the moon and sort things out later.
Underground Bunkers
A traditional but effective way of dealing with aerial (or orbital this case) bombardment is to get people underground. Essentially you have nuclear missile facilities, like the one in Switzerland, where the population goes in the event of a nuclear attack. This way, whilst the surface is being destroyed, a significant portion of the world population will survive the attack, far more than 0.01% you anticipated (though regrettably, those in less developed countries, such as many countries in Africa, are significantly less likely to survive).
Fight Fire With Fire
So you have thousands of nukes orbiting the planet? They are just sitting ducks up there: their trajectories are easily predictable, you have no way of communicating with them to move them (which you admitted to yourself) and there is no mention of them having any RCS thrusters or the like to dodge an incoming missile.
Whilst your satellites may be able to detect any missiles fired at them from earth, that is hardly an issue. Small, heat-seeking counter-missiles can be fired from everywhere on Earth as soon as you fire your nukes. Triggering the sensors wouldn't even matter at that point, the payload has already been fired. The idea is that these counter-missiles would detonate your nukes well before they hit the ground and, because of the size of your nukes, the nuclear explosion is likely to cause a domino effect, destroying the rest of the payload and the satelite that fired those nukes.
Doing this to the first missile you fired from every satellite could save billions of lives. 1024 missiles is not a lot relative to the entire world’s weaponry. Also, they don’t even have to be large or powerful missiles, just a small explosion to trigger the nukes that you fired. Whilst the population of Earth may have to worry about a nuclear winter, at least many people have survived and your plan has been foiled.
Operation: Smokescreen
Whilst you mention your sensors will never fail, perhaps this can be used against you. It may be possible to trick your sensors or blind them. Using emitters, it may be possible to replicate the signal the satellites are receiving which prevents them from detonating. Doing this to all the satellites in the world could buy humanity some time, you can now no longer control when they do or don't fire, it doesn't matter anymore if your henchmen stop the signal, the satellites are still receiving the same signal from other emitters, nullifying your control.
Alternatively, you could also trick the sensors into believing nothing has been fired from earth by relaying a false signal to the sensors. Its essentially the equivalent of placing a photograph in front of a CCTV camera. Again, this would buy people more time to deal with the satellites.
Call Your Bluff
If your goal is to become the ruler of Earth and everyone and everything in it, you aren’t actually going to fire the missiles.
Okay so lets assume you aren’t bluffing and you actually fire the missiles, everyone and everything on Earth is killed and destroyed. Now what?
You are now the king of dead world. An irradiated, uninhabitable wasteland of a planet. No architecture exists, no life exists, everything has been annihilated by your hand. What was the point? There is no one rule, no governments to control, no wealth to accumulate, there is nothing. If your goal was to rule the world then you have failed, there is nothing left to rule. Your failure will haunt you for as long as you live and will be evident long after you’re gone, the husk of a planet you left in ruin will remain there, lifeless, for the rest of its days.
Humanity can simply call your bluff, you will not destroy the world because you stand to gain nothing by doing so.
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Leave the Planet
A possible solution is to send as many people into space as possible to avoid the impending nuclear destruction. They might not even need to leave Earth’s orbit, just get above the nuclear explosions.
Your best option for this is likely an SSTO (single stage to orbit) spacecraft, essentially a space plane. I believe Elon Musk, CEO of SpaceX, has plans to develop space planes for commercial purposes. A government could easily commandeer their spaceplanes and use them to ship people into space.
Although, i doubt you would be able to get many people off the planet and, even when you did, where would they go? The ISS is doomed and wouldn’t be able to hold enough people anyway. You could possibly leave people on the moon and sort things out later.
Underground Bunkers
A traditional but effective way of dealing with aerial (or orbital this case) bombardment is to get people underground. Essentially you have nuclear missile facilities, like the one in Switzerland, where the population goes in the event of a nuclear attack. This way, whilst the surface is being destroyed, a significant portion of the world population will survive the attack, far more than 0.01% you anticipated (though regrettably, those in less developed countries, such as many countries in Africa, are significantly less likely to survive).
Fight Fire With Fire
So you have thousands of nukes orbiting the planet? They are just sitting ducks up there: their trajectories are easily predictable, you have no way of communicating with them to move them (which you admitted to yourself) and there is no mention of them having any RCS thrusters or the like to dodge an incoming missile.
Whilst your satellites may be able to detect any missiles fired at them from earth, that is hardly an issue. Small, heat-seeking counter-missiles can be fired from everywhere on Earth as soon as you fire your nukes. Triggering the sensors wouldn't even matter at that point, the payload has already been fired. The idea is that these counter-missiles would detonate your nukes well before they hit the ground and, because of the size of your nukes, the nuclear explosion is likely to cause a domino effect, destroying the rest of the payload and the satelite that fired those nukes.
Doing this to the first missile you fired from every satellite could save billions of lives. 1024 missiles is not a lot relative to the entire world’s weaponry. Also, they don’t even have to be large or powerful missiles, just a small explosion to trigger the nukes that you fired. Whilst the population of Earth may have to worry about a nuclear winter, at least many people have survived and your plan has been foiled.
Operation: Smokescreen
Whilst you mention your sensors will never fail, perhaps this can be used against you. It may be possible to trick your sensors or blind them. Using emitters, it may be possible to replicate the signal the satellites are receiving which prevents them from detonating. Doing this to all the satellites in the world could buy humanity some time, you can now no longer control when they do or don't fire, it doesn't matter anymore if your henchmen stop the signal, the satellites are still receiving the same signal from other emitters, nullifying your control.
Alternatively, you could also trick the sensors into believing nothing has been fired from earth by relaying a false signal to the sensors. Its essentially the equivalent of placing a photograph in front of a CCTV camera. Again, this would buy people more time to deal with the satellites.
Call Your Bluff
If your goal is to become the ruler of Earth and everyone and everything in it, you aren’t actually going to fire the missiles.
Okay so lets assume you aren’t bluffing and you actually fire the missiles, everyone and everything on Earth is killed and destroyed. Now what?
You are now the king of dead world. An irradiated, uninhabitable wasteland of a planet. No architecture exists, no life exists, everything has been annihilated by your hand. What was the point? There is no one rule, no governments to control, no wealth to accumulate, there is nothing. If your goal was to rule the world then you have failed, there is nothing left to rule. Your failure will haunt you for as long as you live and will be evident long after you’re gone, the husk of a planet you left in ruin will remain there, lifeless, for the rest of its days.
Humanity can simply call your bluff, you will not destroy the world because you stand to gain nothing by doing so.
$endgroup$
Leave the Planet
A possible solution is to send as many people into space as possible to avoid the impending nuclear destruction. They might not even need to leave Earth’s orbit, just get above the nuclear explosions.
Your best option for this is likely an SSTO (single stage to orbit) spacecraft, essentially a space plane. I believe Elon Musk, CEO of SpaceX, has plans to develop space planes for commercial purposes. A government could easily commandeer their spaceplanes and use them to ship people into space.
Although, i doubt you would be able to get many people off the planet and, even when you did, where would they go? The ISS is doomed and wouldn’t be able to hold enough people anyway. You could possibly leave people on the moon and sort things out later.
Underground Bunkers
A traditional but effective way of dealing with aerial (or orbital this case) bombardment is to get people underground. Essentially you have nuclear missile facilities, like the one in Switzerland, where the population goes in the event of a nuclear attack. This way, whilst the surface is being destroyed, a significant portion of the world population will survive the attack, far more than 0.01% you anticipated (though regrettably, those in less developed countries, such as many countries in Africa, are significantly less likely to survive).
Fight Fire With Fire
So you have thousands of nukes orbiting the planet? They are just sitting ducks up there: their trajectories are easily predictable, you have no way of communicating with them to move them (which you admitted to yourself) and there is no mention of them having any RCS thrusters or the like to dodge an incoming missile.
Whilst your satellites may be able to detect any missiles fired at them from earth, that is hardly an issue. Small, heat-seeking counter-missiles can be fired from everywhere on Earth as soon as you fire your nukes. Triggering the sensors wouldn't even matter at that point, the payload has already been fired. The idea is that these counter-missiles would detonate your nukes well before they hit the ground and, because of the size of your nukes, the nuclear explosion is likely to cause a domino effect, destroying the rest of the payload and the satelite that fired those nukes.
Doing this to the first missile you fired from every satellite could save billions of lives. 1024 missiles is not a lot relative to the entire world’s weaponry. Also, they don’t even have to be large or powerful missiles, just a small explosion to trigger the nukes that you fired. Whilst the population of Earth may have to worry about a nuclear winter, at least many people have survived and your plan has been foiled.
Operation: Smokescreen
Whilst you mention your sensors will never fail, perhaps this can be used against you. It may be possible to trick your sensors or blind them. Using emitters, it may be possible to replicate the signal the satellites are receiving which prevents them from detonating. Doing this to all the satellites in the world could buy humanity some time, you can now no longer control when they do or don't fire, it doesn't matter anymore if your henchmen stop the signal, the satellites are still receiving the same signal from other emitters, nullifying your control.
Alternatively, you could also trick the sensors into believing nothing has been fired from earth by relaying a false signal to the sensors. Its essentially the equivalent of placing a photograph in front of a CCTV camera. Again, this would buy people more time to deal with the satellites.
Call Your Bluff
If your goal is to become the ruler of Earth and everyone and everything in it, you aren’t actually going to fire the missiles.
Okay so lets assume you aren’t bluffing and you actually fire the missiles, everyone and everything on Earth is killed and destroyed. Now what?
You are now the king of dead world. An irradiated, uninhabitable wasteland of a planet. No architecture exists, no life exists, everything has been annihilated by your hand. What was the point? There is no one rule, no governments to control, no wealth to accumulate, there is nothing. If your goal was to rule the world then you have failed, there is nothing left to rule. Your failure will haunt you for as long as you live and will be evident long after you’re gone, the husk of a planet you left in ruin will remain there, lifeless, for the rest of its days.
Humanity can simply call your bluff, you will not destroy the world because you stand to gain nothing by doing so.
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The real question is: is there any way the destruction of the Earth can be prevented? Because I can't see the world's nations being able to cooperate or prevent one nation from trying to stop this from happening, thereby triggering oblivion. You give humanity too much credit for managing a complex system. (By the way, I think that also applies to your scenario, which appears to me to be impossible due to logistics alone).
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– rje
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To be clear I've written it from the point in view of a madman that happens to be a bond like villein... Yes that most likely (like over 99.99999999% likely) to be what will happen but I'm wondering is there any "hail marry" that someone will try that can work to stop my plan.
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– cypher
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Hmm. An obvious weak link are your henchpeeps. They could effectively contest your 3rd demand, or at least render it unworkable, though only with the threat of killing everyone. Would you consider that a flaw?
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– Starfish Prime
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(a) I don't understand why your question was downvoted. You presented a complete scenario and asked for a reality-check. That's exactly what the tag's for. so, +1. (b) There are a lot of people answering this question in comments. Guys, if you think there's a flaw in the plan, answer the question. That's the entire point of a reality-check.
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– JBH
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"stop any source of climate warming" -- Had does one stop a volcano from spewing climate-altering chemicals into the atmosphere? "not to launch anything to space" -- What about research efforts that use things like high-altitude weather balloons? Are you going to nuke the planet because Felix Baumgartner wanted to set a world record?
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– Frostfyre
49 mins ago