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Why the work done is positive when bringing 2 opposite charges together?
What is the sign of the work done on the system and by the system?Work done should be positive but coming out negative?Derivation of a work done by forces on chargeWhen is work done on or by something?Need help with signs (+ -) in electric potential work and potential energy problemWhy gravitational potential is negative, as displacement and force are in the same direction?Why is the work done in moving a unit mass from infinity to a point (where gravitational field exists) negative?What is the significance of the sign of work done? Does it affect internal energy also?What is the difference between positive negative potential and positive, negative work done?Why can work done by friction be negative if work is a scalar?
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we know that if the applied force is in the direction of the displacement then work done is positive.But in case of bringing 2 opposite charges from infinite to a certain distance,the work done is negative even the force and the displacement of the charge is in the same direction.
From mathematical point of view it says the applied force is positive here and the (dr) is negative here.but what's the physical significance of the sign is here?and if so when can we say the applied force is positive or negative(in case of bringing two same charges together)?
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we know that if the applied force is in the direction of the displacement then work done is positive.But in case of bringing 2 opposite charges from infinite to a certain distance,the work done is negative even the force and the displacement of the charge is in the same direction.
From mathematical point of view it says the applied force is positive here and the (dr) is negative here.but what's the physical significance of the sign is here?and if so when can we say the applied force is positive or negative(in case of bringing two same charges together)?
electrostatics work conventions
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$W=vecFcdotDelta vecx$ ... but what is $vecF$? The electrostatic force between the two charges, or the force that is (somehow) pushing the charges?
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we know that if the applied force is in the direction of the displacement then work done is positive.But in case of bringing 2 opposite charges from infinite to a certain distance,the work done is negative even the force and the displacement of the charge is in the same direction.
From mathematical point of view it says the applied force is positive here and the (dr) is negative here.but what's the physical significance of the sign is here?and if so when can we say the applied force is positive or negative(in case of bringing two same charges together)?
electrostatics work conventions
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we know that if the applied force is in the direction of the displacement then work done is positive.But in case of bringing 2 opposite charges from infinite to a certain distance,the work done is negative even the force and the displacement of the charge is in the same direction.
From mathematical point of view it says the applied force is positive here and the (dr) is negative here.but what's the physical significance of the sign is here?and if so when can we say the applied force is positive or negative(in case of bringing two same charges together)?
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$W=vecFcdotDelta vecx$ ... but what is $vecF$? The electrostatic force between the two charges, or the force that is (somehow) pushing the charges?
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$W=vecFcdotDelta vecx$ ... but what is $vecF$? The electrostatic force between the two charges, or the force that is (somehow) pushing the charges?
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$W=vecFcdotDelta vecx$ ... but what is $vecF$? The electrostatic force between the two charges, or the force that is (somehow) pushing the charges?
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$W=vecFcdotDelta vecx$ ... but what is $vecF$? The electrostatic force between the two charges, or the force that is (somehow) pushing the charges?
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"we know that if the applied force is in the direction of the displacement then work done is positive.But in case of bringing 2 opposite charges from infinite to a certain distance,the work done is negative even the force and the displacement of the charge is in the same direction."
I think you are not considering the displacement as a vector- suppose one is at a position r and moves a unit positive charge towards the other positive charge;
then his differential element is - dr (a decrement in r)
so F.dr the work done
becomes equivalent to - F.dr and the angle between F and dr is pi as they are just opposite to each other.
or say F is radially outward and dr is inward.
thereby the work done
dw = - (F.dr) = - IFI . IdrI .Cos (pi) = |Fdr|
a positive number.
Let us now take situation in which the unit positive charge is moved from r towards a negative charge , then again dr is a decrement in r and its -dr.
the work done will be dw = - F.dr
now F is radially inward and dr is a decrement so the angle between them is zero.
thereby the dw will be -ve. and such negative work is being done by the field rather than the external agency.
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It is a matter of who is doing the work. We are often interested in experiments where the work is done by the experimenter. In the case that you are mentioning, the experimenter has to apply force against the force of repulsion between the particles to bring two positively charged objects at a finite distance. Therefore the direction of the force of the experimenter is the same as the direction of the displacement and therefore the work done is positive. Reverse holds for the oppositely charged particles. The particles are trying to pull each other together and the experimenter has to apply force to keep them at a finite distance. Therefore the direction of force and displacement wrt to the experimenter is opposite.
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Remember that work is defined as $W=vecFcdot vecx$ so only the angle between force and displacement matters not the sign convention (in the one-dimensional case). $dr$ is negative means that $r$ is decreasing and the positive direction here is taken in the direction away from the other charge and the work done by an external force is considered so force and displacement are in opposite direction and hence the work done (by external agent) is negative.
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In the end this depends on the context. Are you asking "How much work did the system do?" or are you asking "How much work was applied to the system?". The former is really only useful when your system is some kind of motor / energy source, where you are looking at (one form of) energy flowing into a different system. The latter framing is how we usually talk in pure physics considerations. The idea here is that the work should be positive when the energy in the system increases and negative when it decreases.
Let's adopt the latter convention and apply it to your example: We have one positive charge $A$ "nailed to" the origin of our coordinate system and a negative one, $B$, at infinity. We say that $B$ has the potential energy $E_0 = 0,mathrm J$. Since opposite charges attract, $B$ will naturally fall toward $A$, so its potential energy has to decrease to some negative value $E_1$ when being moved to a new position at a finite distance from $A$. The work you are looking for is just $W = E_1$ here (which is negative).
Remember that we are only considering transitions between static states of the system here, i.e. no kinetic energies. You could say we want to move $B$ towards $A$ at an infinitely small velocity. In order to do that, we have to work against the charge's natural drive to fall towards $A$, so the force "we" are applying is opposite to the direction of movement.
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we know that if the applied force is in the direction of the displacement then work done is positive.But in case of bringing 2 opposite charges from infinite to a certain distance,the work done is negative even the force and the displacement of the charge is in the same direction.
What makes you think the work done is negative?
If the electric field is bringing opposite charges together the electric field is doing positive work on each causing each to lose potential energy and gain kinetic energy. The force the field applies to each charge is in the same direction as their displacement.
The gravity analogy is the gravitational field doing work on a falling object. The direction of the force of gravity is the same as the displacement and the object loses potential energy and gains an equal amount of kinetic energy.
On the other hand, if the charges are initially close together and you want to separate them (move them apart), then an external agent is needed to do work positive work to separate them applying a force equal in magnitude to the opposing electrical force (thus moving the charge at constant velocity). However at the same time the external force does positive work on the charges, the electric field does an equal amount of negative work taking the energy away from the charge and storing it as electrical potential energy in the charge/electric field system.
The gravity analogy is when you apply an upward force equal to gravity to raise an object a height $h$. You (the external agent) does positive work on the object while gravity does an equal amount of negative work (the force of gravity being opposite to the displacement), taking the energy away from the object and storing it as gravitational potential energy of the object/earth system.
Hope this helps.
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"we know that if the applied force is in the direction of the displacement then work done is positive.But in case of bringing 2 opposite charges from infinite to a certain distance,the work done is negative even the force and the displacement of the charge is in the same direction."
I think you are not considering the displacement as a vector- suppose one is at a position r and moves a unit positive charge towards the other positive charge;
then his differential element is - dr (a decrement in r)
so F.dr the work done
becomes equivalent to - F.dr and the angle between F and dr is pi as they are just opposite to each other.
or say F is radially outward and dr is inward.
thereby the work done
dw = - (F.dr) = - IFI . IdrI .Cos (pi) = |Fdr|
a positive number.
Let us now take situation in which the unit positive charge is moved from r towards a negative charge , then again dr is a decrement in r and its -dr.
the work done will be dw = - F.dr
now F is radially inward and dr is a decrement so the angle between them is zero.
thereby the dw will be -ve. and such negative work is being done by the field rather than the external agency.
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"we know that if the applied force is in the direction of the displacement then work done is positive.But in case of bringing 2 opposite charges from infinite to a certain distance,the work done is negative even the force and the displacement of the charge is in the same direction."
I think you are not considering the displacement as a vector- suppose one is at a position r and moves a unit positive charge towards the other positive charge;
then his differential element is - dr (a decrement in r)
so F.dr the work done
becomes equivalent to - F.dr and the angle between F and dr is pi as they are just opposite to each other.
or say F is radially outward and dr is inward.
thereby the work done
dw = - (F.dr) = - IFI . IdrI .Cos (pi) = |Fdr|
a positive number.
Let us now take situation in which the unit positive charge is moved from r towards a negative charge , then again dr is a decrement in r and its -dr.
the work done will be dw = - F.dr
now F is radially inward and dr is a decrement so the angle between them is zero.
thereby the dw will be -ve. and such negative work is being done by the field rather than the external agency.
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"we know that if the applied force is in the direction of the displacement then work done is positive.But in case of bringing 2 opposite charges from infinite to a certain distance,the work done is negative even the force and the displacement of the charge is in the same direction."
I think you are not considering the displacement as a vector- suppose one is at a position r and moves a unit positive charge towards the other positive charge;
then his differential element is - dr (a decrement in r)
so F.dr the work done
becomes equivalent to - F.dr and the angle between F and dr is pi as they are just opposite to each other.
or say F is radially outward and dr is inward.
thereby the work done
dw = - (F.dr) = - IFI . IdrI .Cos (pi) = |Fdr|
a positive number.
Let us now take situation in which the unit positive charge is moved from r towards a negative charge , then again dr is a decrement in r and its -dr.
the work done will be dw = - F.dr
now F is radially inward and dr is a decrement so the angle between them is zero.
thereby the dw will be -ve. and such negative work is being done by the field rather than the external agency.
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"we know that if the applied force is in the direction of the displacement then work done is positive.But in case of bringing 2 opposite charges from infinite to a certain distance,the work done is negative even the force and the displacement of the charge is in the same direction."
I think you are not considering the displacement as a vector- suppose one is at a position r and moves a unit positive charge towards the other positive charge;
then his differential element is - dr (a decrement in r)
so F.dr the work done
becomes equivalent to - F.dr and the angle between F and dr is pi as they are just opposite to each other.
or say F is radially outward and dr is inward.
thereby the work done
dw = - (F.dr) = - IFI . IdrI .Cos (pi) = |Fdr|
a positive number.
Let us now take situation in which the unit positive charge is moved from r towards a negative charge , then again dr is a decrement in r and its -dr.
the work done will be dw = - F.dr
now F is radially inward and dr is a decrement so the angle between them is zero.
thereby the dw will be -ve. and such negative work is being done by the field rather than the external agency.
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It is a matter of who is doing the work. We are often interested in experiments where the work is done by the experimenter. In the case that you are mentioning, the experimenter has to apply force against the force of repulsion between the particles to bring two positively charged objects at a finite distance. Therefore the direction of the force of the experimenter is the same as the direction of the displacement and therefore the work done is positive. Reverse holds for the oppositely charged particles. The particles are trying to pull each other together and the experimenter has to apply force to keep them at a finite distance. Therefore the direction of force and displacement wrt to the experimenter is opposite.
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It is a matter of who is doing the work. We are often interested in experiments where the work is done by the experimenter. In the case that you are mentioning, the experimenter has to apply force against the force of repulsion between the particles to bring two positively charged objects at a finite distance. Therefore the direction of the force of the experimenter is the same as the direction of the displacement and therefore the work done is positive. Reverse holds for the oppositely charged particles. The particles are trying to pull each other together and the experimenter has to apply force to keep them at a finite distance. Therefore the direction of force and displacement wrt to the experimenter is opposite.
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It is a matter of who is doing the work. We are often interested in experiments where the work is done by the experimenter. In the case that you are mentioning, the experimenter has to apply force against the force of repulsion between the particles to bring two positively charged objects at a finite distance. Therefore the direction of the force of the experimenter is the same as the direction of the displacement and therefore the work done is positive. Reverse holds for the oppositely charged particles. The particles are trying to pull each other together and the experimenter has to apply force to keep them at a finite distance. Therefore the direction of force and displacement wrt to the experimenter is opposite.
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It is a matter of who is doing the work. We are often interested in experiments where the work is done by the experimenter. In the case that you are mentioning, the experimenter has to apply force against the force of repulsion between the particles to bring two positively charged objects at a finite distance. Therefore the direction of the force of the experimenter is the same as the direction of the displacement and therefore the work done is positive. Reverse holds for the oppositely charged particles. The particles are trying to pull each other together and the experimenter has to apply force to keep them at a finite distance. Therefore the direction of force and displacement wrt to the experimenter is opposite.
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Remember that work is defined as $W=vecFcdot vecx$ so only the angle between force and displacement matters not the sign convention (in the one-dimensional case). $dr$ is negative means that $r$ is decreasing and the positive direction here is taken in the direction away from the other charge and the work done by an external force is considered so force and displacement are in opposite direction and hence the work done (by external agent) is negative.
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Remember that work is defined as $W=vecFcdot vecx$ so only the angle between force and displacement matters not the sign convention (in the one-dimensional case). $dr$ is negative means that $r$ is decreasing and the positive direction here is taken in the direction away from the other charge and the work done by an external force is considered so force and displacement are in opposite direction and hence the work done (by external agent) is negative.
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Remember that work is defined as $W=vecFcdot vecx$ so only the angle between force and displacement matters not the sign convention (in the one-dimensional case). $dr$ is negative means that $r$ is decreasing and the positive direction here is taken in the direction away from the other charge and the work done by an external force is considered so force and displacement are in opposite direction and hence the work done (by external agent) is negative.
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Remember that work is defined as $W=vecFcdot vecx$ so only the angle between force and displacement matters not the sign convention (in the one-dimensional case). $dr$ is negative means that $r$ is decreasing and the positive direction here is taken in the direction away from the other charge and the work done by an external force is considered so force and displacement are in opposite direction and hence the work done (by external agent) is negative.
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In the end this depends on the context. Are you asking "How much work did the system do?" or are you asking "How much work was applied to the system?". The former is really only useful when your system is some kind of motor / energy source, where you are looking at (one form of) energy flowing into a different system. The latter framing is how we usually talk in pure physics considerations. The idea here is that the work should be positive when the energy in the system increases and negative when it decreases.
Let's adopt the latter convention and apply it to your example: We have one positive charge $A$ "nailed to" the origin of our coordinate system and a negative one, $B$, at infinity. We say that $B$ has the potential energy $E_0 = 0,mathrm J$. Since opposite charges attract, $B$ will naturally fall toward $A$, so its potential energy has to decrease to some negative value $E_1$ when being moved to a new position at a finite distance from $A$. The work you are looking for is just $W = E_1$ here (which is negative).
Remember that we are only considering transitions between static states of the system here, i.e. no kinetic energies. You could say we want to move $B$ towards $A$ at an infinitely small velocity. In order to do that, we have to work against the charge's natural drive to fall towards $A$, so the force "we" are applying is opposite to the direction of movement.
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In the end this depends on the context. Are you asking "How much work did the system do?" or are you asking "How much work was applied to the system?". The former is really only useful when your system is some kind of motor / energy source, where you are looking at (one form of) energy flowing into a different system. The latter framing is how we usually talk in pure physics considerations. The idea here is that the work should be positive when the energy in the system increases and negative when it decreases.
Let's adopt the latter convention and apply it to your example: We have one positive charge $A$ "nailed to" the origin of our coordinate system and a negative one, $B$, at infinity. We say that $B$ has the potential energy $E_0 = 0,mathrm J$. Since opposite charges attract, $B$ will naturally fall toward $A$, so its potential energy has to decrease to some negative value $E_1$ when being moved to a new position at a finite distance from $A$. The work you are looking for is just $W = E_1$ here (which is negative).
Remember that we are only considering transitions between static states of the system here, i.e. no kinetic energies. You could say we want to move $B$ towards $A$ at an infinitely small velocity. In order to do that, we have to work against the charge's natural drive to fall towards $A$, so the force "we" are applying is opposite to the direction of movement.
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In the end this depends on the context. Are you asking "How much work did the system do?" or are you asking "How much work was applied to the system?". The former is really only useful when your system is some kind of motor / energy source, where you are looking at (one form of) energy flowing into a different system. The latter framing is how we usually talk in pure physics considerations. The idea here is that the work should be positive when the energy in the system increases and negative when it decreases.
Let's adopt the latter convention and apply it to your example: We have one positive charge $A$ "nailed to" the origin of our coordinate system and a negative one, $B$, at infinity. We say that $B$ has the potential energy $E_0 = 0,mathrm J$. Since opposite charges attract, $B$ will naturally fall toward $A$, so its potential energy has to decrease to some negative value $E_1$ when being moved to a new position at a finite distance from $A$. The work you are looking for is just $W = E_1$ here (which is negative).
Remember that we are only considering transitions between static states of the system here, i.e. no kinetic energies. You could say we want to move $B$ towards $A$ at an infinitely small velocity. In order to do that, we have to work against the charge's natural drive to fall towards $A$, so the force "we" are applying is opposite to the direction of movement.
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In the end this depends on the context. Are you asking "How much work did the system do?" or are you asking "How much work was applied to the system?". The former is really only useful when your system is some kind of motor / energy source, where you are looking at (one form of) energy flowing into a different system. The latter framing is how we usually talk in pure physics considerations. The idea here is that the work should be positive when the energy in the system increases and negative when it decreases.
Let's adopt the latter convention and apply it to your example: We have one positive charge $A$ "nailed to" the origin of our coordinate system and a negative one, $B$, at infinity. We say that $B$ has the potential energy $E_0 = 0,mathrm J$. Since opposite charges attract, $B$ will naturally fall toward $A$, so its potential energy has to decrease to some negative value $E_1$ when being moved to a new position at a finite distance from $A$. The work you are looking for is just $W = E_1$ here (which is negative).
Remember that we are only considering transitions between static states of the system here, i.e. no kinetic energies. You could say we want to move $B$ towards $A$ at an infinitely small velocity. In order to do that, we have to work against the charge's natural drive to fall towards $A$, so the force "we" are applying is opposite to the direction of movement.
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we know that if the applied force is in the direction of the displacement then work done is positive.But in case of bringing 2 opposite charges from infinite to a certain distance,the work done is negative even the force and the displacement of the charge is in the same direction.
What makes you think the work done is negative?
If the electric field is bringing opposite charges together the electric field is doing positive work on each causing each to lose potential energy and gain kinetic energy. The force the field applies to each charge is in the same direction as their displacement.
The gravity analogy is the gravitational field doing work on a falling object. The direction of the force of gravity is the same as the displacement and the object loses potential energy and gains an equal amount of kinetic energy.
On the other hand, if the charges are initially close together and you want to separate them (move them apart), then an external agent is needed to do work positive work to separate them applying a force equal in magnitude to the opposing electrical force (thus moving the charge at constant velocity). However at the same time the external force does positive work on the charges, the electric field does an equal amount of negative work taking the energy away from the charge and storing it as electrical potential energy in the charge/electric field system.
The gravity analogy is when you apply an upward force equal to gravity to raise an object a height $h$. You (the external agent) does positive work on the object while gravity does an equal amount of negative work (the force of gravity being opposite to the displacement), taking the energy away from the object and storing it as gravitational potential energy of the object/earth system.
Hope this helps.
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we know that if the applied force is in the direction of the displacement then work done is positive.But in case of bringing 2 opposite charges from infinite to a certain distance,the work done is negative even the force and the displacement of the charge is in the same direction.
What makes you think the work done is negative?
If the electric field is bringing opposite charges together the electric field is doing positive work on each causing each to lose potential energy and gain kinetic energy. The force the field applies to each charge is in the same direction as their displacement.
The gravity analogy is the gravitational field doing work on a falling object. The direction of the force of gravity is the same as the displacement and the object loses potential energy and gains an equal amount of kinetic energy.
On the other hand, if the charges are initially close together and you want to separate them (move them apart), then an external agent is needed to do work positive work to separate them applying a force equal in magnitude to the opposing electrical force (thus moving the charge at constant velocity). However at the same time the external force does positive work on the charges, the electric field does an equal amount of negative work taking the energy away from the charge and storing it as electrical potential energy in the charge/electric field system.
The gravity analogy is when you apply an upward force equal to gravity to raise an object a height $h$. You (the external agent) does positive work on the object while gravity does an equal amount of negative work (the force of gravity being opposite to the displacement), taking the energy away from the object and storing it as gravitational potential energy of the object/earth system.
Hope this helps.
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we know that if the applied force is in the direction of the displacement then work done is positive.But in case of bringing 2 opposite charges from infinite to a certain distance,the work done is negative even the force and the displacement of the charge is in the same direction.
What makes you think the work done is negative?
If the electric field is bringing opposite charges together the electric field is doing positive work on each causing each to lose potential energy and gain kinetic energy. The force the field applies to each charge is in the same direction as their displacement.
The gravity analogy is the gravitational field doing work on a falling object. The direction of the force of gravity is the same as the displacement and the object loses potential energy and gains an equal amount of kinetic energy.
On the other hand, if the charges are initially close together and you want to separate them (move them apart), then an external agent is needed to do work positive work to separate them applying a force equal in magnitude to the opposing electrical force (thus moving the charge at constant velocity). However at the same time the external force does positive work on the charges, the electric field does an equal amount of negative work taking the energy away from the charge and storing it as electrical potential energy in the charge/electric field system.
The gravity analogy is when you apply an upward force equal to gravity to raise an object a height $h$. You (the external agent) does positive work on the object while gravity does an equal amount of negative work (the force of gravity being opposite to the displacement), taking the energy away from the object and storing it as gravitational potential energy of the object/earth system.
Hope this helps.
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we know that if the applied force is in the direction of the displacement then work done is positive.But in case of bringing 2 opposite charges from infinite to a certain distance,the work done is negative even the force and the displacement of the charge is in the same direction.
What makes you think the work done is negative?
If the electric field is bringing opposite charges together the electric field is doing positive work on each causing each to lose potential energy and gain kinetic energy. The force the field applies to each charge is in the same direction as their displacement.
The gravity analogy is the gravitational field doing work on a falling object. The direction of the force of gravity is the same as the displacement and the object loses potential energy and gains an equal amount of kinetic energy.
On the other hand, if the charges are initially close together and you want to separate them (move them apart), then an external agent is needed to do work positive work to separate them applying a force equal in magnitude to the opposing electrical force (thus moving the charge at constant velocity). However at the same time the external force does positive work on the charges, the electric field does an equal amount of negative work taking the energy away from the charge and storing it as electrical potential energy in the charge/electric field system.
The gravity analogy is when you apply an upward force equal to gravity to raise an object a height $h$. You (the external agent) does positive work on the object while gravity does an equal amount of negative work (the force of gravity being opposite to the displacement), taking the energy away from the object and storing it as gravitational potential energy of the object/earth system.
Hope this helps.
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$W=vecFcdotDelta vecx$ ... but what is $vecF$? The electrostatic force between the two charges, or the force that is (somehow) pushing the charges?
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