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I have the following code:



a = [0,1,2,3]

for a[-1] in a:
print(a[-1])


The output is:



0
1
2
2


I'm confused about why a list index can be used as an indexing variable in a for a loop?










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    Somehow this question looks like a bad and newbie question, but I don't get the logic either lol

    – gameon67
    1 hour ago






  • 5





    I don't know why you would ever want to do this, but now I know you can

    – Nathan
    1 hour ago






  • 8





    This would be a great question for an awful coding interview

    – Nathan
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    OP, since it seems like your post may be gaining some traffic, I edited your post in an attempt to make your question clearer. If I'm misinterpreting your question, you can rollback the edit.

    – Christian Dean
    56 mins ago






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    This question first got two down votes :) I guess you shouldn't panic by down votes!

    – Amir A. Shabani
    35 mins ago

















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I have the following code:



a = [0,1,2,3]

for a[-1] in a:
print(a[-1])


The output is:



0
1
2
2


I'm confused about why a list index can be used as an indexing variable in a for a loop?










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  • 8





    Somehow this question looks like a bad and newbie question, but I don't get the logic either lol

    – gameon67
    1 hour ago






  • 5





    I don't know why you would ever want to do this, but now I know you can

    – Nathan
    1 hour ago






  • 8





    This would be a great question for an awful coding interview

    – Nathan
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    OP, since it seems like your post may be gaining some traffic, I edited your post in an attempt to make your question clearer. If I'm misinterpreting your question, you can rollback the edit.

    – Christian Dean
    56 mins ago






  • 1





    This question first got two down votes :) I guess you shouldn't panic by down votes!

    – Amir A. Shabani
    35 mins ago













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I have the following code:



a = [0,1,2,3]

for a[-1] in a:
print(a[-1])


The output is:



0
1
2
2


I'm confused about why a list index can be used as an indexing variable in a for a loop?










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I have the following code:



a = [0,1,2,3]

for a[-1] in a:
print(a[-1])


The output is:



0
1
2
2


I'm confused about why a list index can be used as an indexing variable in a for a loop?







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  • 8





    Somehow this question looks like a bad and newbie question, but I don't get the logic either lol

    – gameon67
    1 hour ago






  • 5





    I don't know why you would ever want to do this, but now I know you can

    – Nathan
    1 hour ago






  • 8





    This would be a great question for an awful coding interview

    – Nathan
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    OP, since it seems like your post may be gaining some traffic, I edited your post in an attempt to make your question clearer. If I'm misinterpreting your question, you can rollback the edit.

    – Christian Dean
    56 mins ago






  • 1





    This question first got two down votes :) I guess you shouldn't panic by down votes!

    – Amir A. Shabani
    35 mins ago












  • 8





    Somehow this question looks like a bad and newbie question, but I don't get the logic either lol

    – gameon67
    1 hour ago






  • 5





    I don't know why you would ever want to do this, but now I know you can

    – Nathan
    1 hour ago






  • 8





    This would be a great question for an awful coding interview

    – Nathan
    1 hour ago






  • 1





    OP, since it seems like your post may be gaining some traffic, I edited your post in an attempt to make your question clearer. If I'm misinterpreting your question, you can rollback the edit.

    – Christian Dean
    56 mins ago






  • 1





    This question first got two down votes :) I guess you shouldn't panic by down votes!

    – Amir A. Shabani
    35 mins ago







8




8





Somehow this question looks like a bad and newbie question, but I don't get the logic either lol

– gameon67
1 hour ago





Somehow this question looks like a bad and newbie question, but I don't get the logic either lol

– gameon67
1 hour ago




5




5





I don't know why you would ever want to do this, but now I know you can

– Nathan
1 hour ago





I don't know why you would ever want to do this, but now I know you can

– Nathan
1 hour ago




8




8





This would be a great question for an awful coding interview

– Nathan
1 hour ago





This would be a great question for an awful coding interview

– Nathan
1 hour ago




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1





OP, since it seems like your post may be gaining some traffic, I edited your post in an attempt to make your question clearer. If I'm misinterpreting your question, you can rollback the edit.

– Christian Dean
56 mins ago





OP, since it seems like your post may be gaining some traffic, I edited your post in an attempt to make your question clearer. If I'm misinterpreting your question, you can rollback the edit.

– Christian Dean
56 mins ago




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1





This question first got two down votes :) I guess you shouldn't panic by down votes!

– Amir A. Shabani
35 mins ago





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– Amir A. Shabani
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To bring a language-lawyer aspect to the question, let's look at documentation:




for_stmt ::= "for" target_list "in" expression_list ":" suite


The expression list is evaluated once; it should yield an iterable object. An iterator is created for the result of the expression_list. The suite is then executed once for each item provided by the iterator, in the order returned by the iterator. Each item in turn is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments (see Assignment statements), and then the suite is executed.




(emphasis not originally in docs)
The suite refers to the statements under the for-block, print(a[-1]) in our particular case.



Simply, on each iteration, the loop variable (target_list) gets assigned to the next item in the iterable (expression_list).



Let's extend the print statement:



a = [0, 1, 2, 3]
for a[-1] in a:
print(a, a[-1])


This gives the following output:



[0, 1, 2, 0] 0 # a[-1] assigned 0
[0, 1, 2, 1] 1 # a[-1] assigned 1
[0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2
[0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned itself (2)


As a[-1] is a valid form left-hand side, assignments to a[-1] will mutate a, modifying the list during iteration. In this particular example, a[-1] retains -2 from the previous evaluation. If we trace the assignment on each iteration, we have



a[-1] = 0 # a[0] # a[3] is 0 now
a[-1] = 1 # a[1] # a[3] is 1 now
a[-1] = 2 # a[2] # a[3] is 2 now
a[-1] = 2 # a[3] # a[3] is itself (2)





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    Might be useful to bold Each item [...] is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments.

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    Essentially, the important thing to note here is that Python considers a[-1] to be a valid form of the left-hand side of an assignment statement (e.g. a[-1] = 1 is valid grammar). Thus a[-1] is a valid "variable" name, because as the documentation stated, it evaluates the binding variable(s) in a for loop declaration as it would the left-hand side of an assignment.

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(this is more of a long comment than an answer - there are a couple of good ones already, especially @TrebledJ's. But I had to think of it explicitly in terms of overwriting variables that already have values before it clicked for me.)



If you had



x = 0
l = [1, 2, 3]
for x in l:
print(x)


you wouldn't be surprised that x is overriden each time through the loop. Even though x existed before, its value isn't used (i.e. for 0 in l:, which would throw an error). Rather, we assign the values from l to x.



When we do



a = [0, 1, 2, 3]

for a[-1] in a:
print(a[-1])


even though a[-1] already exists and has a value, we don't put that value in but rather assign to a[-1] each time through the loop.






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  • Somehow I thought the variable used in for loop is immutable. +1 for pointing it out.

    – Amir A. Shabani
    1 hour ago


















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it is an interesting question, you can understand it by that:



for v in a:
a[-1] = v
print(a[-1])

print(a)


actually a becomes: [0, 1, 2, 2] after loop



output:



0
1
2
2
[0, 1, 2, 2]


Hope that helps you, and comment if you have further questions. : )






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    The left expression of a for loop statement gets assigned with each item in the iterable on the right in each iteration, so



    for n in a:
    print(n)


    is just a fancy way of doing:



    for i in range(len(a)):
    n = a[i]
    print(n)


    Likewise,



    for a[-1] in a:
    print(a[-1])


    is just a fancy way of doing:



    for i in range(len(a)):
    a[-1] = a[i]
    print(a[-1])


    where in each iteration, the last item of a gets assigned with the next item in a, so when the iteration finally comes to the last item, its value got last assigned with the second-last item, 2.






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      a[-1] refers to the last element of a, in this case a[3]. The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable.
      It's not evaluating that element upon loop entry, but rather it is assigning to it on each iteration through the loop.



      So first a[-1] gets set to 0, then 1, then 2. Finally, on the last iteration, the for loop retrieves a[3] which at that point is 2, so the list ends up as [0, 1, 2, 2].



      A more typical for loop uses a simple local variable name as the loop variable, e.g. for x .... In that case, x is set to the next value upon each iteration. This case is no different, except that a[-1] is set to the next value upon each iteration. You don't see this very often, but it's consistent.






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      • How does it actually gets set to 0, then 1, then 2 and finally 2? That's the confusing part!

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        Agree, I don't really understand by reading this answer

        – gameon67
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      • I expected it would be like saying for 3 in a: print(a[-1]) (because a[-1] was 3 at the start of the loop) and give an error, but clearly that's not the case. You're obviously correct about what's happening, but I'm surprised this evaluates this way.

        – Nathan
        1 hour ago











      • It's set by the for loop. Each time through, it gets set to the next element of the list. What's the first element? Right, it's 0. What's the second? Right again, it's 1. etc.

        – Tom Karzes
        1 hour ago






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        "The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable." - This may be where the confusion is coming from. Python isn't using the element a[-1] evaluates to, rather, it's using the index a[-1] itself. If you rephrase that statement, your answer becomes much more clear.

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      To bring a language-lawyer aspect to the question, let's look at documentation:




      for_stmt ::= "for" target_list "in" expression_list ":" suite


      The expression list is evaluated once; it should yield an iterable object. An iterator is created for the result of the expression_list. The suite is then executed once for each item provided by the iterator, in the order returned by the iterator. Each item in turn is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments (see Assignment statements), and then the suite is executed.




      (emphasis not originally in docs)
      The suite refers to the statements under the for-block, print(a[-1]) in our particular case.



      Simply, on each iteration, the loop variable (target_list) gets assigned to the next item in the iterable (expression_list).



      Let's extend the print statement:



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]
      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a, a[-1])


      This gives the following output:



      [0, 1, 2, 0] 0 # a[-1] assigned 0
      [0, 1, 2, 1] 1 # a[-1] assigned 1
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned itself (2)


      As a[-1] is a valid form left-hand side, assignments to a[-1] will mutate a, modifying the list during iteration. In this particular example, a[-1] retains -2 from the previous evaluation. If we trace the assignment on each iteration, we have



      a[-1] = 0 # a[0] # a[3] is 0 now
      a[-1] = 1 # a[1] # a[3] is 1 now
      a[-1] = 2 # a[2] # a[3] is 2 now
      a[-1] = 2 # a[3] # a[3] is itself (2)





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        Might be useful to bold Each item [...] is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments.

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        Essentially, the important thing to note here is that Python considers a[-1] to be a valid form of the left-hand side of an assignment statement (e.g. a[-1] = 1 is valid grammar). Thus a[-1] is a valid "variable" name, because as the documentation stated, it evaluates the binding variable(s) in a for loop declaration as it would the left-hand side of an assignment.

        – Christian Dean
        1 hour ago















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      To bring a language-lawyer aspect to the question, let's look at documentation:




      for_stmt ::= "for" target_list "in" expression_list ":" suite


      The expression list is evaluated once; it should yield an iterable object. An iterator is created for the result of the expression_list. The suite is then executed once for each item provided by the iterator, in the order returned by the iterator. Each item in turn is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments (see Assignment statements), and then the suite is executed.




      (emphasis not originally in docs)
      The suite refers to the statements under the for-block, print(a[-1]) in our particular case.



      Simply, on each iteration, the loop variable (target_list) gets assigned to the next item in the iterable (expression_list).



      Let's extend the print statement:



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]
      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a, a[-1])


      This gives the following output:



      [0, 1, 2, 0] 0 # a[-1] assigned 0
      [0, 1, 2, 1] 1 # a[-1] assigned 1
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned itself (2)


      As a[-1] is a valid form left-hand side, assignments to a[-1] will mutate a, modifying the list during iteration. In this particular example, a[-1] retains -2 from the previous evaluation. If we trace the assignment on each iteration, we have



      a[-1] = 0 # a[0] # a[3] is 0 now
      a[-1] = 1 # a[1] # a[3] is 1 now
      a[-1] = 2 # a[2] # a[3] is 2 now
      a[-1] = 2 # a[3] # a[3] is itself (2)





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        Might be useful to bold Each item [...] is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments.

        – Mateen Ulhaq
        1 hour ago







      • 3





        Essentially, the important thing to note here is that Python considers a[-1] to be a valid form of the left-hand side of an assignment statement (e.g. a[-1] = 1 is valid grammar). Thus a[-1] is a valid "variable" name, because as the documentation stated, it evaluates the binding variable(s) in a for loop declaration as it would the left-hand side of an assignment.

        – Christian Dean
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      12







      To bring a language-lawyer aspect to the question, let's look at documentation:




      for_stmt ::= "for" target_list "in" expression_list ":" suite


      The expression list is evaluated once; it should yield an iterable object. An iterator is created for the result of the expression_list. The suite is then executed once for each item provided by the iterator, in the order returned by the iterator. Each item in turn is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments (see Assignment statements), and then the suite is executed.




      (emphasis not originally in docs)
      The suite refers to the statements under the for-block, print(a[-1]) in our particular case.



      Simply, on each iteration, the loop variable (target_list) gets assigned to the next item in the iterable (expression_list).



      Let's extend the print statement:



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]
      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a, a[-1])


      This gives the following output:



      [0, 1, 2, 0] 0 # a[-1] assigned 0
      [0, 1, 2, 1] 1 # a[-1] assigned 1
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned itself (2)


      As a[-1] is a valid form left-hand side, assignments to a[-1] will mutate a, modifying the list during iteration. In this particular example, a[-1] retains -2 from the previous evaluation. If we trace the assignment on each iteration, we have



      a[-1] = 0 # a[0] # a[3] is 0 now
      a[-1] = 1 # a[1] # a[3] is 1 now
      a[-1] = 2 # a[2] # a[3] is 2 now
      a[-1] = 2 # a[3] # a[3] is itself (2)





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      To bring a language-lawyer aspect to the question, let's look at documentation:




      for_stmt ::= "for" target_list "in" expression_list ":" suite


      The expression list is evaluated once; it should yield an iterable object. An iterator is created for the result of the expression_list. The suite is then executed once for each item provided by the iterator, in the order returned by the iterator. Each item in turn is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments (see Assignment statements), and then the suite is executed.




      (emphasis not originally in docs)
      The suite refers to the statements under the for-block, print(a[-1]) in our particular case.



      Simply, on each iteration, the loop variable (target_list) gets assigned to the next item in the iterable (expression_list).



      Let's extend the print statement:



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]
      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a, a[-1])


      This gives the following output:



      [0, 1, 2, 0] 0 # a[-1] assigned 0
      [0, 1, 2, 1] 1 # a[-1] assigned 1
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned 2
      [0, 1, 2, 2] 2 # a[-1] assigned itself (2)


      As a[-1] is a valid form left-hand side, assignments to a[-1] will mutate a, modifying the list during iteration. In this particular example, a[-1] retains -2 from the previous evaluation. If we trace the assignment on each iteration, we have



      a[-1] = 0 # a[0] # a[3] is 0 now
      a[-1] = 1 # a[1] # a[3] is 1 now
      a[-1] = 2 # a[2] # a[3] is 2 now
      a[-1] = 2 # a[3] # a[3] is itself (2)






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        Might be useful to bold Each item [...] is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments.

        – Mateen Ulhaq
        1 hour ago







      • 3





        Essentially, the important thing to note here is that Python considers a[-1] to be a valid form of the left-hand side of an assignment statement (e.g. a[-1] = 1 is valid grammar). Thus a[-1] is a valid "variable" name, because as the documentation stated, it evaluates the binding variable(s) in a for loop declaration as it would the left-hand side of an assignment.

        – Christian Dean
        1 hour ago












      • 2





        Might be useful to bold Each item [...] is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments.

        – Mateen Ulhaq
        1 hour ago







      • 3





        Essentially, the important thing to note here is that Python considers a[-1] to be a valid form of the left-hand side of an assignment statement (e.g. a[-1] = 1 is valid grammar). Thus a[-1] is a valid "variable" name, because as the documentation stated, it evaluates the binding variable(s) in a for loop declaration as it would the left-hand side of an assignment.

        – Christian Dean
        1 hour ago







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      2





      Might be useful to bold Each item [...] is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments.

      – Mateen Ulhaq
      1 hour ago






      Might be useful to bold Each item [...] is assigned to the target list using the standard rules for assignments.

      – Mateen Ulhaq
      1 hour ago





      3




      3





      Essentially, the important thing to note here is that Python considers a[-1] to be a valid form of the left-hand side of an assignment statement (e.g. a[-1] = 1 is valid grammar). Thus a[-1] is a valid "variable" name, because as the documentation stated, it evaluates the binding variable(s) in a for loop declaration as it would the left-hand side of an assignment.

      – Christian Dean
      1 hour ago





      Essentially, the important thing to note here is that Python considers a[-1] to be a valid form of the left-hand side of an assignment statement (e.g. a[-1] = 1 is valid grammar). Thus a[-1] is a valid "variable" name, because as the documentation stated, it evaluates the binding variable(s) in a for loop declaration as it would the left-hand side of an assignment.

      – Christian Dean
      1 hour ago













      3














      (this is more of a long comment than an answer - there are a couple of good ones already, especially @TrebledJ's. But I had to think of it explicitly in terms of overwriting variables that already have values before it clicked for me.)



      If you had



      x = 0
      l = [1, 2, 3]
      for x in l:
      print(x)


      you wouldn't be surprised that x is overriden each time through the loop. Even though x existed before, its value isn't used (i.e. for 0 in l:, which would throw an error). Rather, we assign the values from l to x.



      When we do



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]

      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a[-1])


      even though a[-1] already exists and has a value, we don't put that value in but rather assign to a[-1] each time through the loop.






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      • Somehow I thought the variable used in for loop is immutable. +1 for pointing it out.

        – Amir A. Shabani
        1 hour ago















      3














      (this is more of a long comment than an answer - there are a couple of good ones already, especially @TrebledJ's. But I had to think of it explicitly in terms of overwriting variables that already have values before it clicked for me.)



      If you had



      x = 0
      l = [1, 2, 3]
      for x in l:
      print(x)


      you wouldn't be surprised that x is overriden each time through the loop. Even though x existed before, its value isn't used (i.e. for 0 in l:, which would throw an error). Rather, we assign the values from l to x.



      When we do



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]

      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a[-1])


      even though a[-1] already exists and has a value, we don't put that value in but rather assign to a[-1] each time through the loop.






      share|improve this answer

























      • Somehow I thought the variable used in for loop is immutable. +1 for pointing it out.

        – Amir A. Shabani
        1 hour ago













      3












      3








      3







      (this is more of a long comment than an answer - there are a couple of good ones already, especially @TrebledJ's. But I had to think of it explicitly in terms of overwriting variables that already have values before it clicked for me.)



      If you had



      x = 0
      l = [1, 2, 3]
      for x in l:
      print(x)


      you wouldn't be surprised that x is overriden each time through the loop. Even though x existed before, its value isn't used (i.e. for 0 in l:, which would throw an error). Rather, we assign the values from l to x.



      When we do



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]

      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a[-1])


      even though a[-1] already exists and has a value, we don't put that value in but rather assign to a[-1] each time through the loop.






      share|improve this answer















      (this is more of a long comment than an answer - there are a couple of good ones already, especially @TrebledJ's. But I had to think of it explicitly in terms of overwriting variables that already have values before it clicked for me.)



      If you had



      x = 0
      l = [1, 2, 3]
      for x in l:
      print(x)


      you wouldn't be surprised that x is overriden each time through the loop. Even though x existed before, its value isn't used (i.e. for 0 in l:, which would throw an error). Rather, we assign the values from l to x.



      When we do



      a = [0, 1, 2, 3]

      for a[-1] in a:
      print(a[-1])


      even though a[-1] already exists and has a value, we don't put that value in but rather assign to a[-1] each time through the loop.







      share|improve this answer














      share|improve this answer



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      edited 1 hour ago









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      answered 1 hour ago









      NathanNathan

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      • Somehow I thought the variable used in for loop is immutable. +1 for pointing it out.

        – Amir A. Shabani
        1 hour ago

















      • Somehow I thought the variable used in for loop is immutable. +1 for pointing it out.

        – Amir A. Shabani
        1 hour ago
















      Somehow I thought the variable used in for loop is immutable. +1 for pointing it out.

      – Amir A. Shabani
      1 hour ago





      Somehow I thought the variable used in for loop is immutable. +1 for pointing it out.

      – Amir A. Shabani
      1 hour ago











      2














      it is an interesting question, you can understand it by that:



      for v in a:
      a[-1] = v
      print(a[-1])

      print(a)


      actually a becomes: [0, 1, 2, 2] after loop



      output:



      0
      1
      2
      2
      [0, 1, 2, 2]


      Hope that helps you, and comment if you have further questions. : )






      share|improve this answer



























        2














        it is an interesting question, you can understand it by that:



        for v in a:
        a[-1] = v
        print(a[-1])

        print(a)


        actually a becomes: [0, 1, 2, 2] after loop



        output:



        0
        1
        2
        2
        [0, 1, 2, 2]


        Hope that helps you, and comment if you have further questions. : )






        share|improve this answer

























          2












          2








          2







          it is an interesting question, you can understand it by that:



          for v in a:
          a[-1] = v
          print(a[-1])

          print(a)


          actually a becomes: [0, 1, 2, 2] after loop



          output:



          0
          1
          2
          2
          [0, 1, 2, 2]


          Hope that helps you, and comment if you have further questions. : )






          share|improve this answer













          it is an interesting question, you can understand it by that:



          for v in a:
          a[-1] = v
          print(a[-1])

          print(a)


          actually a becomes: [0, 1, 2, 2] after loop



          output:



          0
          1
          2
          2
          [0, 1, 2, 2]


          Hope that helps you, and comment if you have further questions. : )







          share|improve this answer












          share|improve this answer



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          answered 1 hour ago









          recnacrecnac

          1,243123




          1,243123





















              1














              The left expression of a for loop statement gets assigned with each item in the iterable on the right in each iteration, so



              for n in a:
              print(n)


              is just a fancy way of doing:



              for i in range(len(a)):
              n = a[i]
              print(n)


              Likewise,



              for a[-1] in a:
              print(a[-1])


              is just a fancy way of doing:



              for i in range(len(a)):
              a[-1] = a[i]
              print(a[-1])


              where in each iteration, the last item of a gets assigned with the next item in a, so when the iteration finally comes to the last item, its value got last assigned with the second-last item, 2.






              share|improve this answer



























                1














                The left expression of a for loop statement gets assigned with each item in the iterable on the right in each iteration, so



                for n in a:
                print(n)


                is just a fancy way of doing:



                for i in range(len(a)):
                n = a[i]
                print(n)


                Likewise,



                for a[-1] in a:
                print(a[-1])


                is just a fancy way of doing:



                for i in range(len(a)):
                a[-1] = a[i]
                print(a[-1])


                where in each iteration, the last item of a gets assigned with the next item in a, so when the iteration finally comes to the last item, its value got last assigned with the second-last item, 2.






                share|improve this answer

























                  1












                  1








                  1







                  The left expression of a for loop statement gets assigned with each item in the iterable on the right in each iteration, so



                  for n in a:
                  print(n)


                  is just a fancy way of doing:



                  for i in range(len(a)):
                  n = a[i]
                  print(n)


                  Likewise,



                  for a[-1] in a:
                  print(a[-1])


                  is just a fancy way of doing:



                  for i in range(len(a)):
                  a[-1] = a[i]
                  print(a[-1])


                  where in each iteration, the last item of a gets assigned with the next item in a, so when the iteration finally comes to the last item, its value got last assigned with the second-last item, 2.






                  share|improve this answer













                  The left expression of a for loop statement gets assigned with each item in the iterable on the right in each iteration, so



                  for n in a:
                  print(n)


                  is just a fancy way of doing:



                  for i in range(len(a)):
                  n = a[i]
                  print(n)


                  Likewise,



                  for a[-1] in a:
                  print(a[-1])


                  is just a fancy way of doing:



                  for i in range(len(a)):
                  a[-1] = a[i]
                  print(a[-1])


                  where in each iteration, the last item of a gets assigned with the next item in a, so when the iteration finally comes to the last item, its value got last assigned with the second-last item, 2.







                  share|improve this answer












                  share|improve this answer



                  share|improve this answer










                  answered 1 hour ago









                  blhsingblhsing

                  43.5k41744




                  43.5k41744





















                      1














                      a[-1] refers to the last element of a, in this case a[3]. The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable.
                      It's not evaluating that element upon loop entry, but rather it is assigning to it on each iteration through the loop.



                      So first a[-1] gets set to 0, then 1, then 2. Finally, on the last iteration, the for loop retrieves a[3] which at that point is 2, so the list ends up as [0, 1, 2, 2].



                      A more typical for loop uses a simple local variable name as the loop variable, e.g. for x .... In that case, x is set to the next value upon each iteration. This case is no different, except that a[-1] is set to the next value upon each iteration. You don't see this very often, but it's consistent.






                      share|improve this answer

























                      • How does it actually gets set to 0, then 1, then 2 and finally 2? That's the confusing part!

                        – Amir A. Shabani
                        1 hour ago






                      • 1





                        Agree, I don't really understand by reading this answer

                        – gameon67
                        1 hour ago











                      • I expected it would be like saying for 3 in a: print(a[-1]) (because a[-1] was 3 at the start of the loop) and give an error, but clearly that's not the case. You're obviously correct about what's happening, but I'm surprised this evaluates this way.

                        – Nathan
                        1 hour ago











                      • It's set by the for loop. Each time through, it gets set to the next element of the list. What's the first element? Right, it's 0. What's the second? Right again, it's 1. etc.

                        – Tom Karzes
                        1 hour ago






                      • 1





                        "The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable." - This may be where the confusion is coming from. Python isn't using the element a[-1] evaluates to, rather, it's using the index a[-1] itself. If you rephrase that statement, your answer becomes much more clear.

                        – Christian Dean
                        52 mins ago
















                      1














                      a[-1] refers to the last element of a, in this case a[3]. The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable.
                      It's not evaluating that element upon loop entry, but rather it is assigning to it on each iteration through the loop.



                      So first a[-1] gets set to 0, then 1, then 2. Finally, on the last iteration, the for loop retrieves a[3] which at that point is 2, so the list ends up as [0, 1, 2, 2].



                      A more typical for loop uses a simple local variable name as the loop variable, e.g. for x .... In that case, x is set to the next value upon each iteration. This case is no different, except that a[-1] is set to the next value upon each iteration. You don't see this very often, but it's consistent.






                      share|improve this answer

























                      • How does it actually gets set to 0, then 1, then 2 and finally 2? That's the confusing part!

                        – Amir A. Shabani
                        1 hour ago






                      • 1





                        Agree, I don't really understand by reading this answer

                        – gameon67
                        1 hour ago











                      • I expected it would be like saying for 3 in a: print(a[-1]) (because a[-1] was 3 at the start of the loop) and give an error, but clearly that's not the case. You're obviously correct about what's happening, but I'm surprised this evaluates this way.

                        – Nathan
                        1 hour ago











                      • It's set by the for loop. Each time through, it gets set to the next element of the list. What's the first element? Right, it's 0. What's the second? Right again, it's 1. etc.

                        – Tom Karzes
                        1 hour ago






                      • 1





                        "The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable." - This may be where the confusion is coming from. Python isn't using the element a[-1] evaluates to, rather, it's using the index a[-1] itself. If you rephrase that statement, your answer becomes much more clear.

                        – Christian Dean
                        52 mins ago














                      1












                      1








                      1







                      a[-1] refers to the last element of a, in this case a[3]. The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable.
                      It's not evaluating that element upon loop entry, but rather it is assigning to it on each iteration through the loop.



                      So first a[-1] gets set to 0, then 1, then 2. Finally, on the last iteration, the for loop retrieves a[3] which at that point is 2, so the list ends up as [0, 1, 2, 2].



                      A more typical for loop uses a simple local variable name as the loop variable, e.g. for x .... In that case, x is set to the next value upon each iteration. This case is no different, except that a[-1] is set to the next value upon each iteration. You don't see this very often, but it's consistent.






                      share|improve this answer















                      a[-1] refers to the last element of a, in this case a[3]. The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable.
                      It's not evaluating that element upon loop entry, but rather it is assigning to it on each iteration through the loop.



                      So first a[-1] gets set to 0, then 1, then 2. Finally, on the last iteration, the for loop retrieves a[3] which at that point is 2, so the list ends up as [0, 1, 2, 2].



                      A more typical for loop uses a simple local variable name as the loop variable, e.g. for x .... In that case, x is set to the next value upon each iteration. This case is no different, except that a[-1] is set to the next value upon each iteration. You don't see this very often, but it's consistent.







                      share|improve this answer














                      share|improve this answer



                      share|improve this answer








                      edited 34 mins ago

























                      answered 1 hour ago









                      Tom KarzesTom Karzes

                      11.2k1926




                      11.2k1926












                      • How does it actually gets set to 0, then 1, then 2 and finally 2? That's the confusing part!

                        – Amir A. Shabani
                        1 hour ago






                      • 1





                        Agree, I don't really understand by reading this answer

                        – gameon67
                        1 hour ago











                      • I expected it would be like saying for 3 in a: print(a[-1]) (because a[-1] was 3 at the start of the loop) and give an error, but clearly that's not the case. You're obviously correct about what's happening, but I'm surprised this evaluates this way.

                        – Nathan
                        1 hour ago











                      • It's set by the for loop. Each time through, it gets set to the next element of the list. What's the first element? Right, it's 0. What's the second? Right again, it's 1. etc.

                        – Tom Karzes
                        1 hour ago






                      • 1





                        "The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable." - This may be where the confusion is coming from. Python isn't using the element a[-1] evaluates to, rather, it's using the index a[-1] itself. If you rephrase that statement, your answer becomes much more clear.

                        – Christian Dean
                        52 mins ago


















                      • How does it actually gets set to 0, then 1, then 2 and finally 2? That's the confusing part!

                        – Amir A. Shabani
                        1 hour ago






                      • 1





                        Agree, I don't really understand by reading this answer

                        – gameon67
                        1 hour ago











                      • I expected it would be like saying for 3 in a: print(a[-1]) (because a[-1] was 3 at the start of the loop) and give an error, but clearly that's not the case. You're obviously correct about what's happening, but I'm surprised this evaluates this way.

                        – Nathan
                        1 hour ago











                      • It's set by the for loop. Each time through, it gets set to the next element of the list. What's the first element? Right, it's 0. What's the second? Right again, it's 1. etc.

                        – Tom Karzes
                        1 hour ago






                      • 1





                        "The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable." - This may be where the confusion is coming from. Python isn't using the element a[-1] evaluates to, rather, it's using the index a[-1] itself. If you rephrase that statement, your answer becomes much more clear.

                        – Christian Dean
                        52 mins ago

















                      How does it actually gets set to 0, then 1, then 2 and finally 2? That's the confusing part!

                      – Amir A. Shabani
                      1 hour ago





                      How does it actually gets set to 0, then 1, then 2 and finally 2? That's the confusing part!

                      – Amir A. Shabani
                      1 hour ago




                      1




                      1





                      Agree, I don't really understand by reading this answer

                      – gameon67
                      1 hour ago





                      Agree, I don't really understand by reading this answer

                      – gameon67
                      1 hour ago













                      I expected it would be like saying for 3 in a: print(a[-1]) (because a[-1] was 3 at the start of the loop) and give an error, but clearly that's not the case. You're obviously correct about what's happening, but I'm surprised this evaluates this way.

                      – Nathan
                      1 hour ago





                      I expected it would be like saying for 3 in a: print(a[-1]) (because a[-1] was 3 at the start of the loop) and give an error, but clearly that's not the case. You're obviously correct about what's happening, but I'm surprised this evaluates this way.

                      – Nathan
                      1 hour ago













                      It's set by the for loop. Each time through, it gets set to the next element of the list. What's the first element? Right, it's 0. What's the second? Right again, it's 1. etc.

                      – Tom Karzes
                      1 hour ago





                      It's set by the for loop. Each time through, it gets set to the next element of the list. What's the first element? Right, it's 0. What's the second? Right again, it's 1. etc.

                      – Tom Karzes
                      1 hour ago




                      1




                      1





                      "The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable." - This may be where the confusion is coming from. Python isn't using the element a[-1] evaluates to, rather, it's using the index a[-1] itself. If you rephrase that statement, your answer becomes much more clear.

                      – Christian Dean
                      52 mins ago






                      "The for loop is a bit unusual in that it is using this element as the loop variable." - This may be where the confusion is coming from. Python isn't using the element a[-1] evaluates to, rather, it's using the index a[-1] itself. If you rephrase that statement, your answer becomes much more clear.

                      – Christian Dean
                      52 mins ago











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