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Combinatorics problem, right solution?



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We have $6$ lawyers, $7$ engineers and $4$ doctors. We plan on making a committee of $5$ people, and we want at least one person of each profession on board. So for the first place I choose an engineer, for the second a doctor and for the third a lawyer, leaving only $5$ laywers, $6$ engineers and $3$ doctors left.



For the remaining two places, I could have $2$ more people of a single profession. This is $binom52+binom62+binom32$ possibilities.



I could also have two people of different professions; a doctor and a laywer, $binom51binom31$; a doctor and an engineer, $binom61binom31$; or an engineer and a laywer $binom61binom51$.



This adds up to $binom52+binom62+binom32+binom51binom31+binom61binom31+binom61binom51=91$ possible committees.



I have two questions regarding my approach to the problem. Question $a)$ is the reasoning right, am I not overcounting? $b)$ Even if it is right, is there a simpler way to do this? You can see that the sum I end up with, though relatively simple, is quite long and tedious.



Thanks in advance!










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    I corrected it, I apologize. The result is the same though, it was just a typo.
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    That number seems far too small. If you ignore the restriction there are $binom 175=6188$ possible combinations.
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$begingroup$


We have $6$ lawyers, $7$ engineers and $4$ doctors. We plan on making a committee of $5$ people, and we want at least one person of each profession on board. So for the first place I choose an engineer, for the second a doctor and for the third a lawyer, leaving only $5$ laywers, $6$ engineers and $3$ doctors left.



For the remaining two places, I could have $2$ more people of a single profession. This is $binom52+binom62+binom32$ possibilities.



I could also have two people of different professions; a doctor and a laywer, $binom51binom31$; a doctor and an engineer, $binom61binom31$; or an engineer and a laywer $binom61binom51$.



This adds up to $binom52+binom62+binom32+binom51binom31+binom61binom31+binom61binom51=91$ possible committees.



I have two questions regarding my approach to the problem. Question $a)$ is the reasoning right, am I not overcounting? $b)$ Even if it is right, is there a simpler way to do this? You can see that the sum I end up with, though relatively simple, is quite long and tedious.



Thanks in advance!










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    I corrected it, I apologize. The result is the same though, it was just a typo.
    $endgroup$
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    1 hour ago






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    That number seems far too small. If you ignore the restriction there are $binom 175=6188$ possible combinations.
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$begingroup$


We have $6$ lawyers, $7$ engineers and $4$ doctors. We plan on making a committee of $5$ people, and we want at least one person of each profession on board. So for the first place I choose an engineer, for the second a doctor and for the third a lawyer, leaving only $5$ laywers, $6$ engineers and $3$ doctors left.



For the remaining two places, I could have $2$ more people of a single profession. This is $binom52+binom62+binom32$ possibilities.



I could also have two people of different professions; a doctor and a laywer, $binom51binom31$; a doctor and an engineer, $binom61binom31$; or an engineer and a laywer $binom61binom51$.



This adds up to $binom52+binom62+binom32+binom51binom31+binom61binom31+binom61binom51=91$ possible committees.



I have two questions regarding my approach to the problem. Question $a)$ is the reasoning right, am I not overcounting? $b)$ Even if it is right, is there a simpler way to do this? You can see that the sum I end up with, though relatively simple, is quite long and tedious.



Thanks in advance!










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We have $6$ lawyers, $7$ engineers and $4$ doctors. We plan on making a committee of $5$ people, and we want at least one person of each profession on board. So for the first place I choose an engineer, for the second a doctor and for the third a lawyer, leaving only $5$ laywers, $6$ engineers and $3$ doctors left.



For the remaining two places, I could have $2$ more people of a single profession. This is $binom52+binom62+binom32$ possibilities.



I could also have two people of different professions; a doctor and a laywer, $binom51binom31$; a doctor and an engineer, $binom61binom31$; or an engineer and a laywer $binom61binom51$.



This adds up to $binom52+binom62+binom32+binom51binom31+binom61binom31+binom61binom51=91$ possible committees.



I have two questions regarding my approach to the problem. Question $a)$ is the reasoning right, am I not overcounting? $b)$ Even if it is right, is there a simpler way to do this? You can see that the sum I end up with, though relatively simple, is quite long and tedious.



Thanks in advance!







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    That number seems far too small. If you ignore the restriction there are $binom 175=6188$ possible combinations.
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    I corrected it, I apologize. The result is the same though, it was just a typo.
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    That number seems far too small. If you ignore the restriction there are $binom 175=6188$ possible combinations.
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I corrected it, I apologize. The result is the same though, it was just a typo.
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I corrected it, I apologize. The result is the same though, it was just a typo.
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That number seems far too small. If you ignore the restriction there are $binom 175=6188$ possible combinations.
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I think Inclusion Exclusion is an easier approach.



If we ignore the restriction, there are $binom 175$ ways to choose the group.



We then exclude the choices which miss one specified profession. That's an exclusion of $$binom 115+binom 105+binom 135$$.



We then add back the cases in which all the people come from one profession. Thus we add back $$binom 65+binom 75$$



Thus the answer is $$binom 175-left(binom 115+binom 105+binom 135right)+left(binom 65+binom 75right)=boxed 4214$$






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    I think it is easiest to use the principle of inclusion exclusion. Start with all $binom175$ committees, ignoring the condition that each profession must appear. Then, for each profession, subtract the bad committees where that profession does not appear. So, subtract the $binom135$ committees with no doctor, the $binom115$ committees with no lawyer, and the $binom105$ committees with no engineer. But then committees which are missing two particular professions have now been doubly subtracted, so these must be added back in to correct for this. For example, the $binom75$ committees with no doctor or lawyer.



    The result is
    $$
    binom175-binom135-binom115-binom105+ binom75 +binom65
    $$






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      Let $A=(l,e,d)in1,2,3,4,5,6times1,2,3,4,5,6,7times1,2,3,4mid l+e+d=5$



      Then to be found is $$sum_(l,e,d)in Abinom6lbinom7ebinom4d$$



      Under the sketched conditions for equation $5=l+e+d$ we have the following possibilities:



      • $5=3+1+1$

      • $5=2+2+1$

      • $5=2+1+2$

      • $5=1+3+1$

      • $5=1+2+2$

      • $5=1+1+3$

      This provides you a view on set $A$ and shows that the summation has $6$ terms.






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      There are 6 types of possible committees:
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      1&1&3 \
      hline
      2&2&1 \
      hline
      2&1&2 \
      hline
      1&2&2 \
      hline
      endarray



      For each type of committee, it is necessary to calculate the different groups of people that compose it:



      beginarray c
      hline
      3&1&1& 6choose37choose14choose1= 20cdot7cdot4 = 560 \
      hline
      1&3&1& 6choose17choose34choose1= 6cdot35cdot4 = 840 \
      hline
      1&1&3& 6choose17choose14choose3= 6cdot7cdot4 = 168 \
      hline
      2&2&1& 6choose27choose24choose1= 15cdot21cdot4 = 1260 \
      hline
      2&1&2& 6choose27choose14choose2= 15cdot7cdot6 = 630 \
      hline
      1&2&2& 6choose17choose24choose2= 6cdot21cdot6 = 756 \
      hline
      endarray



      Adding 6 gives a total of different committees:



      $$ 560+840+168+1260+630+756 = 4214 $$






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        $begingroup$

        I think Inclusion Exclusion is an easier approach.



        If we ignore the restriction, there are $binom 175$ ways to choose the group.



        We then exclude the choices which miss one specified profession. That's an exclusion of $$binom 115+binom 105+binom 135$$.



        We then add back the cases in which all the people come from one profession. Thus we add back $$binom 65+binom 75$$



        Thus the answer is $$binom 175-left(binom 115+binom 105+binom 135right)+left(binom 65+binom 75right)=boxed 4214$$






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          $begingroup$

          I think Inclusion Exclusion is an easier approach.



          If we ignore the restriction, there are $binom 175$ ways to choose the group.



          We then exclude the choices which miss one specified profession. That's an exclusion of $$binom 115+binom 105+binom 135$$.



          We then add back the cases in which all the people come from one profession. Thus we add back $$binom 65+binom 75$$



          Thus the answer is $$binom 175-left(binom 115+binom 105+binom 135right)+left(binom 65+binom 75right)=boxed 4214$$






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            $begingroup$

            I think Inclusion Exclusion is an easier approach.



            If we ignore the restriction, there are $binom 175$ ways to choose the group.



            We then exclude the choices which miss one specified profession. That's an exclusion of $$binom 115+binom 105+binom 135$$.



            We then add back the cases in which all the people come from one profession. Thus we add back $$binom 65+binom 75$$



            Thus the answer is $$binom 175-left(binom 115+binom 105+binom 135right)+left(binom 65+binom 75right)=boxed 4214$$






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            I think Inclusion Exclusion is an easier approach.



            If we ignore the restriction, there are $binom 175$ ways to choose the group.



            We then exclude the choices which miss one specified profession. That's an exclusion of $$binom 115+binom 105+binom 135$$.



            We then add back the cases in which all the people come from one profession. Thus we add back $$binom 65+binom 75$$



            Thus the answer is $$binom 175-left(binom 115+binom 105+binom 135right)+left(binom 65+binom 75right)=boxed 4214$$







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                $begingroup$

                I think it is easiest to use the principle of inclusion exclusion. Start with all $binom175$ committees, ignoring the condition that each profession must appear. Then, for each profession, subtract the bad committees where that profession does not appear. So, subtract the $binom135$ committees with no doctor, the $binom115$ committees with no lawyer, and the $binom105$ committees with no engineer. But then committees which are missing two particular professions have now been doubly subtracted, so these must be added back in to correct for this. For example, the $binom75$ committees with no doctor or lawyer.



                The result is
                $$
                binom175-binom135-binom115-binom105+ binom75 +binom65
                $$






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                  $begingroup$

                  I think it is easiest to use the principle of inclusion exclusion. Start with all $binom175$ committees, ignoring the condition that each profession must appear. Then, for each profession, subtract the bad committees where that profession does not appear. So, subtract the $binom135$ committees with no doctor, the $binom115$ committees with no lawyer, and the $binom105$ committees with no engineer. But then committees which are missing two particular professions have now been doubly subtracted, so these must be added back in to correct for this. For example, the $binom75$ committees with no doctor or lawyer.



                  The result is
                  $$
                  binom175-binom135-binom115-binom105+ binom75 +binom65
                  $$






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                    $begingroup$

                    I think it is easiest to use the principle of inclusion exclusion. Start with all $binom175$ committees, ignoring the condition that each profession must appear. Then, for each profession, subtract the bad committees where that profession does not appear. So, subtract the $binom135$ committees with no doctor, the $binom115$ committees with no lawyer, and the $binom105$ committees with no engineer. But then committees which are missing two particular professions have now been doubly subtracted, so these must be added back in to correct for this. For example, the $binom75$ committees with no doctor or lawyer.



                    The result is
                    $$
                    binom175-binom135-binom115-binom105+ binom75 +binom65
                    $$






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                    I think it is easiest to use the principle of inclusion exclusion. Start with all $binom175$ committees, ignoring the condition that each profession must appear. Then, for each profession, subtract the bad committees where that profession does not appear. So, subtract the $binom135$ committees with no doctor, the $binom115$ committees with no lawyer, and the $binom105$ committees with no engineer. But then committees which are missing two particular professions have now been doubly subtracted, so these must be added back in to correct for this. For example, the $binom75$ committees with no doctor or lawyer.



                    The result is
                    $$
                    binom175-binom135-binom115-binom105+ binom75 +binom65
                    $$







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                        Let $A=(l,e,d)in1,2,3,4,5,6times1,2,3,4,5,6,7times1,2,3,4mid l+e+d=5$



                        Then to be found is $$sum_(l,e,d)in Abinom6lbinom7ebinom4d$$



                        Under the sketched conditions for equation $5=l+e+d$ we have the following possibilities:



                        • $5=3+1+1$

                        • $5=2+2+1$

                        • $5=2+1+2$

                        • $5=1+3+1$

                        • $5=1+2+2$

                        • $5=1+1+3$

                        This provides you a view on set $A$ and shows that the summation has $6$ terms.






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                        $begingroup$

                        Let $A=(l,e,d)in1,2,3,4,5,6times1,2,3,4,5,6,7times1,2,3,4mid l+e+d=5$



                        Then to be found is $$sum_(l,e,d)in Abinom6lbinom7ebinom4d$$



                        Under the sketched conditions for equation $5=l+e+d$ we have the following possibilities:



                        • $5=3+1+1$

                        • $5=2+2+1$

                        • $5=2+1+2$

                        • $5=1+3+1$

                        • $5=1+2+2$

                        • $5=1+1+3$

                        This provides you a view on set $A$ and shows that the summation has $6$ terms.






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                        $begingroup$

                        Let $A=(l,e,d)in1,2,3,4,5,6times1,2,3,4,5,6,7times1,2,3,4mid l+e+d=5$



                        Then to be found is $$sum_(l,e,d)in Abinom6lbinom7ebinom4d$$



                        Under the sketched conditions for equation $5=l+e+d$ we have the following possibilities:



                        • $5=3+1+1$

                        • $5=2+2+1$

                        • $5=2+1+2$

                        • $5=1+3+1$

                        • $5=1+2+2$

                        • $5=1+1+3$

                        This provides you a view on set $A$ and shows that the summation has $6$ terms.






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                        Let $A=(l,e,d)in1,2,3,4,5,6times1,2,3,4,5,6,7times1,2,3,4mid l+e+d=5$



                        Then to be found is $$sum_(l,e,d)in Abinom6lbinom7ebinom4d$$



                        Under the sketched conditions for equation $5=l+e+d$ we have the following possibilities:



                        • $5=3+1+1$

                        • $5=2+2+1$

                        • $5=2+1+2$

                        • $5=1+3+1$

                        • $5=1+2+2$

                        • $5=1+1+3$

                        This provides you a view on set $A$ and shows that the summation has $6$ terms.







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                        There are 6 types of possible committees:
                        beginarray r
                        hline
                        3&1&1 \
                        hline
                        1&3&1 \
                        hline
                        1&1&3 \
                        hline
                        2&2&1 \
                        hline
                        2&1&2 \
                        hline
                        1&2&2 \
                        hline
                        endarray



                        For each type of committee, it is necessary to calculate the different groups of people that compose it:



                        beginarray c
                        hline
                        3&1&1& 6choose37choose14choose1= 20cdot7cdot4 = 560 \
                        hline
                        1&3&1& 6choose17choose34choose1= 6cdot35cdot4 = 840 \
                        hline
                        1&1&3& 6choose17choose14choose3= 6cdot7cdot4 = 168 \
                        hline
                        2&2&1& 6choose27choose24choose1= 15cdot21cdot4 = 1260 \
                        hline
                        2&1&2& 6choose27choose14choose2= 15cdot7cdot6 = 630 \
                        hline
                        1&2&2& 6choose17choose24choose2= 6cdot21cdot6 = 756 \
                        hline
                        endarray



                        Adding 6 gives a total of different committees:



                        $$ 560+840+168+1260+630+756 = 4214 $$






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                          There are 6 types of possible committees:
                          beginarray r
                          hline
                          3&1&1 \
                          hline
                          1&3&1 \
                          hline
                          1&1&3 \
                          hline
                          2&2&1 \
                          hline
                          2&1&2 \
                          hline
                          1&2&2 \
                          hline
                          endarray



                          For each type of committee, it is necessary to calculate the different groups of people that compose it:



                          beginarray c
                          hline
                          3&1&1& 6choose37choose14choose1= 20cdot7cdot4 = 560 \
                          hline
                          1&3&1& 6choose17choose34choose1= 6cdot35cdot4 = 840 \
                          hline
                          1&1&3& 6choose17choose14choose3= 6cdot7cdot4 = 168 \
                          hline
                          2&2&1& 6choose27choose24choose1= 15cdot21cdot4 = 1260 \
                          hline
                          2&1&2& 6choose27choose14choose2= 15cdot7cdot6 = 630 \
                          hline
                          1&2&2& 6choose17choose24choose2= 6cdot21cdot6 = 756 \
                          hline
                          endarray



                          Adding 6 gives a total of different committees:



                          $$ 560+840+168+1260+630+756 = 4214 $$






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                            There are 6 types of possible committees:
                            beginarray r
                            hline
                            3&1&1 \
                            hline
                            1&3&1 \
                            hline
                            1&1&3 \
                            hline
                            2&2&1 \
                            hline
                            2&1&2 \
                            hline
                            1&2&2 \
                            hline
                            endarray



                            For each type of committee, it is necessary to calculate the different groups of people that compose it:



                            beginarray c
                            hline
                            3&1&1& 6choose37choose14choose1= 20cdot7cdot4 = 560 \
                            hline
                            1&3&1& 6choose17choose34choose1= 6cdot35cdot4 = 840 \
                            hline
                            1&1&3& 6choose17choose14choose3= 6cdot7cdot4 = 168 \
                            hline
                            2&2&1& 6choose27choose24choose1= 15cdot21cdot4 = 1260 \
                            hline
                            2&1&2& 6choose27choose14choose2= 15cdot7cdot6 = 630 \
                            hline
                            1&2&2& 6choose17choose24choose2= 6cdot21cdot6 = 756 \
                            hline
                            endarray



                            Adding 6 gives a total of different committees:



                            $$ 560+840+168+1260+630+756 = 4214 $$






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                            There are 6 types of possible committees:
                            beginarray r
                            hline
                            3&1&1 \
                            hline
                            1&3&1 \
                            hline
                            1&1&3 \
                            hline
                            2&2&1 \
                            hline
                            2&1&2 \
                            hline
                            1&2&2 \
                            hline
                            endarray



                            For each type of committee, it is necessary to calculate the different groups of people that compose it:



                            beginarray c
                            hline
                            3&1&1& 6choose37choose14choose1= 20cdot7cdot4 = 560 \
                            hline
                            1&3&1& 6choose17choose34choose1= 6cdot35cdot4 = 840 \
                            hline
                            1&1&3& 6choose17choose14choose3= 6cdot7cdot4 = 168 \
                            hline
                            2&2&1& 6choose27choose24choose1= 15cdot21cdot4 = 1260 \
                            hline
                            2&1&2& 6choose27choose14choose2= 15cdot7cdot6 = 630 \
                            hline
                            1&2&2& 6choose17choose24choose2= 6cdot21cdot6 = 756 \
                            hline
                            endarray



                            Adding 6 gives a total of different committees:



                            $$ 560+840+168+1260+630+756 = 4214 $$







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