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I work as a software dev at a small marketing company in the Netherlands. I have been working here for a 5 years and really enjoy my job. We are going to hire a new software dev, an old intern that has been working here next to school for the last 2 years. I will manage his projects and review his work.



This intern also is an outside of work friend of mine. When we were at a party together he was excited about the full time job offer. And while we talked about it he mentioned what his pay was going to be. Which is exactly the same as mine.



This was some weeks ago. But it is bothering me a bit. Not that I want more salary per se. But that the interns 2 years of part time experience are apparently worth the same as my 5 years of full time experience.



While my manager did mention he put in a high offer for the intern to stay, because he does do a very good job, he did not call an actual amount. So I don't think I should know that the salary is the same.



Is there any way I could take this up with my manager? Can I mention anything about the interns pay?



Another issue is that about 4 months ago I got a significant raise (about 20%). But only after showing certain skills and achieving certain goals. But the new colleague is offered the same amount directly. So that makes me feel underappreciated for my achievements. Because the "reward" so to say is given freely to new people.










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  • Possible duplicate of How should I properly approach my boss if I'm feeling underpaid?

    – gnat
    4 hours ago











  • @gnat the question you linked is sort of similar. But there is now answer on how to handle the fact that I know the interns pay.

    – Patrick Nijhuis
    4 hours ago











  • I would have answered, but given that my last answer on the same premise is not liked by the community, I'd refrain. :)

    – Sourav Ghosh
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    Just saying: It’s not an intern getting a good job offer, it is a previous intern. Good companies take an internship as a looong job interview. It looks like that person did very well in their job interview. Please be respectful and don’t talk about your new colleague as “the intern”. He isn’t.

    – gnasher729
    4 hours ago












  • Btw I have a colleague with half a year experience who does an excellent job. Being clever, reliable, hard working, conscientious, are all qualities worth money, and experience comes over time.

    – gnasher729
    4 hours ago

















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I work as a software dev at a small marketing company in the Netherlands. I have been working here for a 5 years and really enjoy my job. We are going to hire a new software dev, an old intern that has been working here next to school for the last 2 years. I will manage his projects and review his work.



This intern also is an outside of work friend of mine. When we were at a party together he was excited about the full time job offer. And while we talked about it he mentioned what his pay was going to be. Which is exactly the same as mine.



This was some weeks ago. But it is bothering me a bit. Not that I want more salary per se. But that the interns 2 years of part time experience are apparently worth the same as my 5 years of full time experience.



While my manager did mention he put in a high offer for the intern to stay, because he does do a very good job, he did not call an actual amount. So I don't think I should know that the salary is the same.



Is there any way I could take this up with my manager? Can I mention anything about the interns pay?



Another issue is that about 4 months ago I got a significant raise (about 20%). But only after showing certain skills and achieving certain goals. But the new colleague is offered the same amount directly. So that makes me feel underappreciated for my achievements. Because the "reward" so to say is given freely to new people.










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  • Possible duplicate of How should I properly approach my boss if I'm feeling underpaid?

    – gnat
    4 hours ago











  • @gnat the question you linked is sort of similar. But there is now answer on how to handle the fact that I know the interns pay.

    – Patrick Nijhuis
    4 hours ago











  • I would have answered, but given that my last answer on the same premise is not liked by the community, I'd refrain. :)

    – Sourav Ghosh
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    Just saying: It’s not an intern getting a good job offer, it is a previous intern. Good companies take an internship as a looong job interview. It looks like that person did very well in their job interview. Please be respectful and don’t talk about your new colleague as “the intern”. He isn’t.

    – gnasher729
    4 hours ago












  • Btw I have a colleague with half a year experience who does an excellent job. Being clever, reliable, hard working, conscientious, are all qualities worth money, and experience comes over time.

    – gnasher729
    4 hours ago













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I work as a software dev at a small marketing company in the Netherlands. I have been working here for a 5 years and really enjoy my job. We are going to hire a new software dev, an old intern that has been working here next to school for the last 2 years. I will manage his projects and review his work.



This intern also is an outside of work friend of mine. When we were at a party together he was excited about the full time job offer. And while we talked about it he mentioned what his pay was going to be. Which is exactly the same as mine.



This was some weeks ago. But it is bothering me a bit. Not that I want more salary per se. But that the interns 2 years of part time experience are apparently worth the same as my 5 years of full time experience.



While my manager did mention he put in a high offer for the intern to stay, because he does do a very good job, he did not call an actual amount. So I don't think I should know that the salary is the same.



Is there any way I could take this up with my manager? Can I mention anything about the interns pay?



Another issue is that about 4 months ago I got a significant raise (about 20%). But only after showing certain skills and achieving certain goals. But the new colleague is offered the same amount directly. So that makes me feel underappreciated for my achievements. Because the "reward" so to say is given freely to new people.










share|improve this question
















I work as a software dev at a small marketing company in the Netherlands. I have been working here for a 5 years and really enjoy my job. We are going to hire a new software dev, an old intern that has been working here next to school for the last 2 years. I will manage his projects and review his work.



This intern also is an outside of work friend of mine. When we were at a party together he was excited about the full time job offer. And while we talked about it he mentioned what his pay was going to be. Which is exactly the same as mine.



This was some weeks ago. But it is bothering me a bit. Not that I want more salary per se. But that the interns 2 years of part time experience are apparently worth the same as my 5 years of full time experience.



While my manager did mention he put in a high offer for the intern to stay, because he does do a very good job, he did not call an actual amount. So I don't think I should know that the salary is the same.



Is there any way I could take this up with my manager? Can I mention anything about the interns pay?



Another issue is that about 4 months ago I got a significant raise (about 20%). But only after showing certain skills and achieving certain goals. But the new colleague is offered the same amount directly. So that makes me feel underappreciated for my achievements. Because the "reward" so to say is given freely to new people.







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  • Possible duplicate of How should I properly approach my boss if I'm feeling underpaid?

    – gnat
    4 hours ago











  • @gnat the question you linked is sort of similar. But there is now answer on how to handle the fact that I know the interns pay.

    – Patrick Nijhuis
    4 hours ago











  • I would have answered, but given that my last answer on the same premise is not liked by the community, I'd refrain. :)

    – Sourav Ghosh
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    Just saying: It’s not an intern getting a good job offer, it is a previous intern. Good companies take an internship as a looong job interview. It looks like that person did very well in their job interview. Please be respectful and don’t talk about your new colleague as “the intern”. He isn’t.

    – gnasher729
    4 hours ago












  • Btw I have a colleague with half a year experience who does an excellent job. Being clever, reliable, hard working, conscientious, are all qualities worth money, and experience comes over time.

    – gnasher729
    4 hours ago

















  • Possible duplicate of How should I properly approach my boss if I'm feeling underpaid?

    – gnat
    4 hours ago











  • @gnat the question you linked is sort of similar. But there is now answer on how to handle the fact that I know the interns pay.

    – Patrick Nijhuis
    4 hours ago











  • I would have answered, but given that my last answer on the same premise is not liked by the community, I'd refrain. :)

    – Sourav Ghosh
    4 hours ago






  • 1





    Just saying: It’s not an intern getting a good job offer, it is a previous intern. Good companies take an internship as a looong job interview. It looks like that person did very well in their job interview. Please be respectful and don’t talk about your new colleague as “the intern”. He isn’t.

    – gnasher729
    4 hours ago












  • Btw I have a colleague with half a year experience who does an excellent job. Being clever, reliable, hard working, conscientious, are all qualities worth money, and experience comes over time.

    – gnasher729
    4 hours ago
















Possible duplicate of How should I properly approach my boss if I'm feeling underpaid?

– gnat
4 hours ago





Possible duplicate of How should I properly approach my boss if I'm feeling underpaid?

– gnat
4 hours ago













@gnat the question you linked is sort of similar. But there is now answer on how to handle the fact that I know the interns pay.

– Patrick Nijhuis
4 hours ago





@gnat the question you linked is sort of similar. But there is now answer on how to handle the fact that I know the interns pay.

– Patrick Nijhuis
4 hours ago













I would have answered, but given that my last answer on the same premise is not liked by the community, I'd refrain. :)

– Sourav Ghosh
4 hours ago





I would have answered, but given that my last answer on the same premise is not liked by the community, I'd refrain. :)

– Sourav Ghosh
4 hours ago




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1





Just saying: It’s not an intern getting a good job offer, it is a previous intern. Good companies take an internship as a looong job interview. It looks like that person did very well in their job interview. Please be respectful and don’t talk about your new colleague as “the intern”. He isn’t.

– gnasher729
4 hours ago






Just saying: It’s not an intern getting a good job offer, it is a previous intern. Good companies take an internship as a looong job interview. It looks like that person did very well in their job interview. Please be respectful and don’t talk about your new colleague as “the intern”. He isn’t.

– gnasher729
4 hours ago














Btw I have a colleague with half a year experience who does an excellent job. Being clever, reliable, hard working, conscientious, are all qualities worth money, and experience comes over time.

– gnasher729
4 hours ago





Btw I have a colleague with half a year experience who does an excellent job. Being clever, reliable, hard working, conscientious, are all qualities worth money, and experience comes over time.

– gnasher729
4 hours ago










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Since you say you don't want more salary yourself I'll start by addressing the question at the end of your post.




Can I mention anything about the interns pay?




Treat your knowledge of your colleague's salary the same way you would treat any other confidential knowledge: don't disclose it and don't discuss that you know it. It's not your information to share.




But it is bothering me a bit. Not that I want more salary per se. But that the interns 2 years of part time experience are apparently worth the same as my 5 years of full time experience.




It sounds like you feel that your five years of experience should be worth more than your new colleague's two years (which in my opinion is fair enough).



I'd suggest you challenge your thinking around this: instead of thinking they should earn less because you're satisfied with what you earn, start thinking that you deserve more: you're worth more than you were 5 years ago. You can manage projects and review other people's work now. There are other questions on the site about how to approach a situation where you feel underpaid.






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  • Please note that salary is personal and not confidential information. I could share my salary with whoever I want and it's illegal for the company to punish me for doing so.

    – Adrian Sicaru
    15 mins ago











  • @AdrianSicaru [location needed] (but in general you are right)

    – IllusiveBrian
    12 mins ago











  • @AdrianSicaru it's personal information for the OP's colleague, which has been told to the OP in confidence.

    – Player One
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Salary levels for new hires increase with time, while your existing salary does not, until you get a raise - but that is completely unrelated to the intern's salary offer. If you received an offer of 3000 five years ago, you might receive 3500 with the same CV and experience today.



It doesn't make sense, but that's how it is in reality. Which is why many people change jobs fairly regularly nowadays. It is purely to keep your own salary at market level. Even with regular average raises, you would likely fall behind market levels.






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  • Which is why it pays to regularly "test the market", polish up your cv and talk to a recruiter. Every 6-12 months. If nothing else to ensure you're getting what the market pays. If you're far below... get another job offer. Then at least you have a second offer or a bargaining chip to get another raise at present employer. Good luck OP!

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Since you say you don't want more salary yourself I'll start by addressing the question at the end of your post.




Can I mention anything about the interns pay?




Treat your knowledge of your colleague's salary the same way you would treat any other confidential knowledge: don't disclose it and don't discuss that you know it. It's not your information to share.




But it is bothering me a bit. Not that I want more salary per se. But that the interns 2 years of part time experience are apparently worth the same as my 5 years of full time experience.




It sounds like you feel that your five years of experience should be worth more than your new colleague's two years (which in my opinion is fair enough).



I'd suggest you challenge your thinking around this: instead of thinking they should earn less because you're satisfied with what you earn, start thinking that you deserve more: you're worth more than you were 5 years ago. You can manage projects and review other people's work now. There are other questions on the site about how to approach a situation where you feel underpaid.






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  • Please note that salary is personal and not confidential information. I could share my salary with whoever I want and it's illegal for the company to punish me for doing so.

    – Adrian Sicaru
    15 mins ago











  • @AdrianSicaru [location needed] (but in general you are right)

    – IllusiveBrian
    12 mins ago











  • @AdrianSicaru it's personal information for the OP's colleague, which has been told to the OP in confidence.

    – Player One
    11 mins ago















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Since you say you don't want more salary yourself I'll start by addressing the question at the end of your post.




Can I mention anything about the interns pay?




Treat your knowledge of your colleague's salary the same way you would treat any other confidential knowledge: don't disclose it and don't discuss that you know it. It's not your information to share.




But it is bothering me a bit. Not that I want more salary per se. But that the interns 2 years of part time experience are apparently worth the same as my 5 years of full time experience.




It sounds like you feel that your five years of experience should be worth more than your new colleague's two years (which in my opinion is fair enough).



I'd suggest you challenge your thinking around this: instead of thinking they should earn less because you're satisfied with what you earn, start thinking that you deserve more: you're worth more than you were 5 years ago. You can manage projects and review other people's work now. There are other questions on the site about how to approach a situation where you feel underpaid.






share|improve this answer

























  • Please note that salary is personal and not confidential information. I could share my salary with whoever I want and it's illegal for the company to punish me for doing so.

    – Adrian Sicaru
    15 mins ago











  • @AdrianSicaru [location needed] (but in general you are right)

    – IllusiveBrian
    12 mins ago











  • @AdrianSicaru it's personal information for the OP's colleague, which has been told to the OP in confidence.

    – Player One
    11 mins ago













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Since you say you don't want more salary yourself I'll start by addressing the question at the end of your post.




Can I mention anything about the interns pay?




Treat your knowledge of your colleague's salary the same way you would treat any other confidential knowledge: don't disclose it and don't discuss that you know it. It's not your information to share.




But it is bothering me a bit. Not that I want more salary per se. But that the interns 2 years of part time experience are apparently worth the same as my 5 years of full time experience.




It sounds like you feel that your five years of experience should be worth more than your new colleague's two years (which in my opinion is fair enough).



I'd suggest you challenge your thinking around this: instead of thinking they should earn less because you're satisfied with what you earn, start thinking that you deserve more: you're worth more than you were 5 years ago. You can manage projects and review other people's work now. There are other questions on the site about how to approach a situation where you feel underpaid.






share|improve this answer















Since you say you don't want more salary yourself I'll start by addressing the question at the end of your post.




Can I mention anything about the interns pay?




Treat your knowledge of your colleague's salary the same way you would treat any other confidential knowledge: don't disclose it and don't discuss that you know it. It's not your information to share.




But it is bothering me a bit. Not that I want more salary per se. But that the interns 2 years of part time experience are apparently worth the same as my 5 years of full time experience.




It sounds like you feel that your five years of experience should be worth more than your new colleague's two years (which in my opinion is fair enough).



I'd suggest you challenge your thinking around this: instead of thinking they should earn less because you're satisfied with what you earn, start thinking that you deserve more: you're worth more than you were 5 years ago. You can manage projects and review other people's work now. There are other questions on the site about how to approach a situation where you feel underpaid.







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  • Please note that salary is personal and not confidential information. I could share my salary with whoever I want and it's illegal for the company to punish me for doing so.

    – Adrian Sicaru
    15 mins ago











  • @AdrianSicaru [location needed] (but in general you are right)

    – IllusiveBrian
    12 mins ago











  • @AdrianSicaru it's personal information for the OP's colleague, which has been told to the OP in confidence.

    – Player One
    11 mins ago

















  • Please note that salary is personal and not confidential information. I could share my salary with whoever I want and it's illegal for the company to punish me for doing so.

    – Adrian Sicaru
    15 mins ago











  • @AdrianSicaru [location needed] (but in general you are right)

    – IllusiveBrian
    12 mins ago











  • @AdrianSicaru it's personal information for the OP's colleague, which has been told to the OP in confidence.

    – Player One
    11 mins ago
















Please note that salary is personal and not confidential information. I could share my salary with whoever I want and it's illegal for the company to punish me for doing so.

– Adrian Sicaru
15 mins ago





Please note that salary is personal and not confidential information. I could share my salary with whoever I want and it's illegal for the company to punish me for doing so.

– Adrian Sicaru
15 mins ago













@AdrianSicaru [location needed] (but in general you are right)

– IllusiveBrian
12 mins ago





@AdrianSicaru [location needed] (but in general you are right)

– IllusiveBrian
12 mins ago













@AdrianSicaru it's personal information for the OP's colleague, which has been told to the OP in confidence.

– Player One
11 mins ago





@AdrianSicaru it's personal information for the OP's colleague, which has been told to the OP in confidence.

– Player One
11 mins ago













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Salary levels for new hires increase with time, while your existing salary does not, until you get a raise - but that is completely unrelated to the intern's salary offer. If you received an offer of 3000 five years ago, you might receive 3500 with the same CV and experience today.



It doesn't make sense, but that's how it is in reality. Which is why many people change jobs fairly regularly nowadays. It is purely to keep your own salary at market level. Even with regular average raises, you would likely fall behind market levels.






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  • Which is why it pays to regularly "test the market", polish up your cv and talk to a recruiter. Every 6-12 months. If nothing else to ensure you're getting what the market pays. If you're far below... get another job offer. Then at least you have a second offer or a bargaining chip to get another raise at present employer. Good luck OP!

    – vikingsteve
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Salary levels for new hires increase with time, while your existing salary does not, until you get a raise - but that is completely unrelated to the intern's salary offer. If you received an offer of 3000 five years ago, you might receive 3500 with the same CV and experience today.



It doesn't make sense, but that's how it is in reality. Which is why many people change jobs fairly regularly nowadays. It is purely to keep your own salary at market level. Even with regular average raises, you would likely fall behind market levels.






share|improve this answer























  • Which is why it pays to regularly "test the market", polish up your cv and talk to a recruiter. Every 6-12 months. If nothing else to ensure you're getting what the market pays. If you're far below... get another job offer. Then at least you have a second offer or a bargaining chip to get another raise at present employer. Good luck OP!

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Salary levels for new hires increase with time, while your existing salary does not, until you get a raise - but that is completely unrelated to the intern's salary offer. If you received an offer of 3000 five years ago, you might receive 3500 with the same CV and experience today.



It doesn't make sense, but that's how it is in reality. Which is why many people change jobs fairly regularly nowadays. It is purely to keep your own salary at market level. Even with regular average raises, you would likely fall behind market levels.






share|improve this answer













Salary levels for new hires increase with time, while your existing salary does not, until you get a raise - but that is completely unrelated to the intern's salary offer. If you received an offer of 3000 five years ago, you might receive 3500 with the same CV and experience today.



It doesn't make sense, but that's how it is in reality. Which is why many people change jobs fairly regularly nowadays. It is purely to keep your own salary at market level. Even with regular average raises, you would likely fall behind market levels.







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  • Which is why it pays to regularly "test the market", polish up your cv and talk to a recruiter. Every 6-12 months. If nothing else to ensure you're getting what the market pays. If you're far below... get another job offer. Then at least you have a second offer or a bargaining chip to get another raise at present employer. Good luck OP!

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  • Which is why it pays to regularly "test the market", polish up your cv and talk to a recruiter. Every 6-12 months. If nothing else to ensure you're getting what the market pays. If you're far below... get another job offer. Then at least you have a second offer or a bargaining chip to get another raise at present employer. Good luck OP!

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Which is why it pays to regularly "test the market", polish up your cv and talk to a recruiter. Every 6-12 months. If nothing else to ensure you're getting what the market pays. If you're far below... get another job offer. Then at least you have a second offer or a bargaining chip to get another raise at present employer. Good luck OP!

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Which is why it pays to regularly "test the market", polish up your cv and talk to a recruiter. Every 6-12 months. If nothing else to ensure you're getting what the market pays. If you're far below... get another job offer. Then at least you have a second offer or a bargaining chip to get another raise at present employer. Good luck OP!

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