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Can a caster that cast Polymorph on themselves stop concentrating at any point even if their Int is low?



The Next CEO of Stack OverflowHow worldly is a polymorphic elf?How can I reliably turn a formulaic Eye range spell into a Touch spell?Damaging transmuted stateWhat is the meaning of 'permanent' in description of True Polymorph?How do multiple castings of True Polymorph interact?Can a Druid cast the spell Polymorph on themselves?Are the rules in the DMG for calculating encounter difficulty inaccurate?Can someone who has been Feebleminded have their Int and Cha scores changed via Polymorph?When exactly can a caster stop concentrating on a spell?Is a low Constitution frontline EK/War Wizard viable or is the low HP a deal-breaker at higher levels? Would the Tough feat constitute a solution?










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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself, changing me into a T-Rex, which caused my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a T-Rex can do, so I wanted to stop concentrating.



I made the check to determine that my current form could not affect the creatures, but when I stated that I would stop concentrating, the DM said that, as a T-Rex, my Int was too low for me to realize that I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as T-Rex until the HP depleted or the spell ended.



Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?










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    We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
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    @DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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    Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself, changing me into a T-Rex, which caused my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a T-Rex can do, so I wanted to stop concentrating.



I made the check to determine that my current form could not affect the creatures, but when I stated that I would stop concentrating, the DM said that, as a T-Rex, my Int was too low for me to realize that I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as T-Rex until the HP depleted or the spell ended.



Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?










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    – Sdjz
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  • $begingroup$
    We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
    $endgroup$
    – David Coffron
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    @DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself, changing me into a T-Rex, which caused my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a T-Rex can do, so I wanted to stop concentrating.



I made the check to determine that my current form could not affect the creatures, but when I stated that I would stop concentrating, the DM said that, as a T-Rex, my Int was too low for me to realize that I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as T-Rex until the HP depleted or the spell ended.



Was my DM correct or can a polymorphed creature still choose to end concentration?










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I was playing a moon druid and cast the polymorph spell on myself, changing me into a T-Rex, which caused my Int to become 2 and my Wis 12. I realized my targets had immunity to non-magical damage which is all a T-Rex can do, so I wanted to stop concentrating.



I made the check to determine that my current form could not affect the creatures, but when I stated that I would stop concentrating, the DM said that, as a T-Rex, my Int was too low for me to realize that I had a spell I was concentrating on that was keeping me in this form. So, I was stuck as T-Rex until the HP depleted or the spell ended.



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    We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
    $endgroup$
    – David Coffron
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    @DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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    Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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    @CarlBozeman glad to help. Now we just need someone who can edit this clarification into your question. My English skill is not enough to do it, I'm afraid.
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  • $begingroup$
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    $endgroup$
    – Sdjz
    8 hours ago










  • $begingroup$
    We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
    $endgroup$
    – David Coffron
    8 hours ago






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
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    Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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    – Carl Bozeman
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$begingroup$
Thank you for clarifying the system! You can check out the tour as an introduction to the site and the help center for further guidance. Good luck and happy gaming!
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– Sdjz
8 hours ago




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Thank you for clarifying the system! You can check out the tour as an introduction to the site and the help center for further guidance. Good luck and happy gaming!
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8 hours ago












$begingroup$
We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
8 hours ago




$begingroup$
We can definitely answer the "can a polymorphed creature end concentration on a spell", but the "why would the t-rex concentration" is only going to be speculation, and is probably not a good fit for the site.
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
8 hours ago




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@DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
$endgroup$
– Mołot
8 hours ago





$begingroup$
@DavidCoffron "Why" in this context is not speculative - it is about specific situation when player looses ability to decide for his character, and rules that govern that situation, if any. Lack of "why" in the rules (if that's the case) would be helpful answer, I believe. Am I right, Carl Bozeman? I agree it could be worded a bit better.
$endgroup$
– Mołot
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Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
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– Carl Bozeman
8 hours ago




$begingroup$
Molot is correct that is what I meant but couldn't figure out how to address it.
$endgroup$
– Carl Bozeman
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$begingroup$
@CarlBozeman glad to help. Now we just need someone who can edit this clarification into your question. My English skill is not enough to do it, I'm afraid.
$endgroup$
– Mołot
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There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.



Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):




INT

3 (-4)



[...]



Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).



[...]



At will: levitate




If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.



Your DM may be using a houserule.



It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.






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    RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against



    According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.




    You can end concentration at any time (no action required).




    Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:




    [The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.




    Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.



    The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.






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    There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.



    Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):




    INT

    3 (-4)



    [...]



    Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).



    [...]



    At will: levitate




    If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.



    Your DM may be using a houserule.



    It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.






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      $begingroup$

      There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.



      Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):




      INT

      3 (-4)



      [...]



      Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).



      [...]



      At will: levitate




      If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.



      Your DM may be using a houserule.



      It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.






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        $begingroup$

        There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.



        Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):




        INT

        3 (-4)



        [...]



        Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).



        [...]



        At will: levitate




        If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.



        Your DM may be using a houserule.



        It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.






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        There is no intelligence limit on the rules for concentration.



        Nothing in the rules dictate that a creature has to have a sufficiently high intelligence to maintain or drop concentration. In fact, there are examples of extremely low intelligence creatures fully utilizing concentration spells. See the Neothelid in Volo's Guide to Monsters (p. 181):




        INT

        3 (-4)



        [...]



        Innate Spellcasting (Psionics).



        [...]



        At will: levitate




        If the creature, who is not much smarter than a t-rex, is able to use a concentration spell like levitate, there is hardly a reason a t-rex wouldn't be able to use one to full effect as well.



        Your DM may be using a houserule.



        It is possible that your DM is implementing a houserule where intelligence has more of an impact than in the base game. If this is the case, he is the only one who can answer questions like why a t-rex could/would concentrate on a spell at all.







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            RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against



            According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.




            You can end concentration at any time (no action required).




            Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:




            [The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.




            Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.



            The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.






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            11












            $begingroup$

            RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against



            According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.




            You can end concentration at any time (no action required).




            Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:




            [The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.




            Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.



            The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.






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            $begingroup$

            RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against



            According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.




            You can end concentration at any time (no action required).




            Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:




            [The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.




            Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.



            The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.






            share|improve this answer











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            RAW implies you can end concentration, but a shaky argument can be made against



            According to PHB, concentration is very easy to end.




            You can end concentration at any time (no action required).




            Additionally, the Polymorph spell states:




            [The target] retains its alignment and personality. [...] The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new from, and it can't speak, cast spells, or take any action that requires hands or speech.




            Nothing here says you can't end concentration, which seems to be a simple mental activity.



            The one argument I can see is that the beast couldn't have started concentration (part of casting the spell), but that would imply the beast can't maintain concentration either, which would never allow you to successfully Polymorph yourself. If the DM is prohibiting ending concentration, he/she should prohibit Polymorphing oneself.







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