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I'm a software engineer, but before that, I attempted to run my own mobile computer repair business. That business never got off the ground, so I went into a career in software development.



Fairly frequently, I have people still contact me for computer repairs. Sometimes it's several times a month and other times I don't get a job for several months. About 70% are from family and 30% from strangers/family friends that have heard about me. Strangers never have a problem paying for service because to them, they're contacting a "business". However, family and family friends usually think I'm doing it to be a good family member. I will fix a close family member's computer for free such as for my parents. However, it annoys me when my half brother calls me and wants his computer fixed for free when I haven't even heard from him for 4-5 months.



Recently a "family friend" called my dad to ask if I could do something to his computer. I told my dad to tell her that I'd do it, but it would be $X. She brought the computer to me and then complained that I was charging her. The complaints continued and she eventually said: "I thought we were family".



I'm trying to figure out how I can make people realize that even though I don't fix computers full time, I spent a lot of years learning how to work on them. Most of the people that bring me computers aren't as well off as me. They seem to think that because I don't need the money, that I should do it for free.



How can I mount an argument that my time is valuable, even if I don't necessarily need the money?










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    A quick google search shows that professional computer repair is usually charged at $50-75/hr. You don't need to tell me what you're charging if you don't want to, but is it below this? (if it is, "I'm already giving you [this much] discount on what ppl would charge if you went elsewhere" would be part of my answer)

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    Hi Jim! Welcome to IPS. The information scohe requested would be very useful. But what's also important: As you can see in our help center pages, we can't make your arguments for you here. So can you tell us a little about what you want to tell these people as an argument for charging them? Then we can help you with presenting those arguments in a suitable way.

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I'm a software engineer, but before that, I attempted to run my own mobile computer repair business. That business never got off the ground, so I went into a career in software development.



Fairly frequently, I have people still contact me for computer repairs. Sometimes it's several times a month and other times I don't get a job for several months. About 70% are from family and 30% from strangers/family friends that have heard about me. Strangers never have a problem paying for service because to them, they're contacting a "business". However, family and family friends usually think I'm doing it to be a good family member. I will fix a close family member's computer for free such as for my parents. However, it annoys me when my half brother calls me and wants his computer fixed for free when I haven't even heard from him for 4-5 months.



Recently a "family friend" called my dad to ask if I could do something to his computer. I told my dad to tell her that I'd do it, but it would be $X. She brought the computer to me and then complained that I was charging her. The complaints continued and she eventually said: "I thought we were family".



I'm trying to figure out how I can make people realize that even though I don't fix computers full time, I spent a lot of years learning how to work on them. Most of the people that bring me computers aren't as well off as me. They seem to think that because I don't need the money, that I should do it for free.



How can I mount an argument that my time is valuable, even if I don't necessarily need the money?










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    A quick google search shows that professional computer repair is usually charged at $50-75/hr. You don't need to tell me what you're charging if you don't want to, but is it below this? (if it is, "I'm already giving you [this much] discount on what ppl would charge if you went elsewhere" would be part of my answer)

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    Hi Jim! Welcome to IPS. The information scohe requested would be very useful. But what's also important: As you can see in our help center pages, we can't make your arguments for you here. So can you tell us a little about what you want to tell these people as an argument for charging them? Then we can help you with presenting those arguments in a suitable way.

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I'm a software engineer, but before that, I attempted to run my own mobile computer repair business. That business never got off the ground, so I went into a career in software development.



Fairly frequently, I have people still contact me for computer repairs. Sometimes it's several times a month and other times I don't get a job for several months. About 70% are from family and 30% from strangers/family friends that have heard about me. Strangers never have a problem paying for service because to them, they're contacting a "business". However, family and family friends usually think I'm doing it to be a good family member. I will fix a close family member's computer for free such as for my parents. However, it annoys me when my half brother calls me and wants his computer fixed for free when I haven't even heard from him for 4-5 months.



Recently a "family friend" called my dad to ask if I could do something to his computer. I told my dad to tell her that I'd do it, but it would be $X. She brought the computer to me and then complained that I was charging her. The complaints continued and she eventually said: "I thought we were family".



I'm trying to figure out how I can make people realize that even though I don't fix computers full time, I spent a lot of years learning how to work on them. Most of the people that bring me computers aren't as well off as me. They seem to think that because I don't need the money, that I should do it for free.



How can I mount an argument that my time is valuable, even if I don't necessarily need the money?










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I'm a software engineer, but before that, I attempted to run my own mobile computer repair business. That business never got off the ground, so I went into a career in software development.



Fairly frequently, I have people still contact me for computer repairs. Sometimes it's several times a month and other times I don't get a job for several months. About 70% are from family and 30% from strangers/family friends that have heard about me. Strangers never have a problem paying for service because to them, they're contacting a "business". However, family and family friends usually think I'm doing it to be a good family member. I will fix a close family member's computer for free such as for my parents. However, it annoys me when my half brother calls me and wants his computer fixed for free when I haven't even heard from him for 4-5 months.



Recently a "family friend" called my dad to ask if I could do something to his computer. I told my dad to tell her that I'd do it, but it would be $X. She brought the computer to me and then complained that I was charging her. The complaints continued and she eventually said: "I thought we were family".



I'm trying to figure out how I can make people realize that even though I don't fix computers full time, I spent a lot of years learning how to work on them. Most of the people that bring me computers aren't as well off as me. They seem to think that because I don't need the money, that I should do it for free.



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    A quick google search shows that professional computer repair is usually charged at $50-75/hr. You don't need to tell me what you're charging if you don't want to, but is it below this? (if it is, "I'm already giving you [this much] discount on what ppl would charge if you went elsewhere" would be part of my answer)

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    Hi Jim! Welcome to IPS. The information scohe requested would be very useful. But what's also important: As you can see in our help center pages, we can't make your arguments for you here. So can you tell us a little about what you want to tell these people as an argument for charging them? Then we can help you with presenting those arguments in a suitable way.

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  • 4





    A quick google search shows that professional computer repair is usually charged at $50-75/hr. You don't need to tell me what you're charging if you don't want to, but is it below this? (if it is, "I'm already giving you [this much] discount on what ppl would charge if you went elsewhere" would be part of my answer)

    – scohe001
    8 hours ago






  • 2





    Hi Jim! Welcome to IPS. The information scohe requested would be very useful. But what's also important: As you can see in our help center pages, we can't make your arguments for you here. So can you tell us a little about what you want to tell these people as an argument for charging them? Then we can help you with presenting those arguments in a suitable way.

    – Tinkeringbell
    8 hours ago








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A quick google search shows that professional computer repair is usually charged at $50-75/hr. You don't need to tell me what you're charging if you don't want to, but is it below this? (if it is, "I'm already giving you [this much] discount on what ppl would charge if you went elsewhere" would be part of my answer)

– scohe001
8 hours ago





A quick google search shows that professional computer repair is usually charged at $50-75/hr. You don't need to tell me what you're charging if you don't want to, but is it below this? (if it is, "I'm already giving you [this much] discount on what ppl would charge if you went elsewhere" would be part of my answer)

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Hi Jim! Welcome to IPS. The information scohe requested would be very useful. But what's also important: As you can see in our help center pages, we can't make your arguments for you here. So can you tell us a little about what you want to tell these people as an argument for charging them? Then we can help you with presenting those arguments in a suitable way.

– Tinkeringbell
8 hours ago






Hi Jim! Welcome to IPS. The information scohe requested would be very useful. But what's also important: As you can see in our help center pages, we can't make your arguments for you here. So can you tell us a little about what you want to tell these people as an argument for charging them? Then we can help you with presenting those arguments in a suitable way.

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Welcome to IT! Anyone who works in the field will tell you that requests from family members to fix their computers is an occupational hassle. I've known mainframe operators who get this asked of them, as well as programmers, network security admins, and other specialties who would have minimal interaction with that skill set.



The important thing here, I've discovered, is setting expectations. Obviously there's a mismatch - you expect to be paid for your skills, and some of these folks expect that you'd want to do it for free. I'm not hearing "I don't want to fix personal computers", so we can leave that out of the discussion. (That's been my response for the last decade: I don't work on home computers).



What I've seen other tech guys do is to have a base rate, and have it be commensurate with your skill set (and desire to do the job). "Geek Squad charges $50/hour? I charge $75 - if you don't like it, you can use Geek Squad..."



Also important is your desire/ability to say "no". One of my co-workers says "unless you gave birth to me, or are having sex with me (of my choice), I'm not fixing your computer for you for free". I'd recommend having a similar stance: I'll fix computers for free for my parents, but after that my labor rates kick in. The customer can choose to pay or not to to have the service. To the "I thought we were family", I respond with: "My family pays for my services, too".



You can never really convince others that your time is valuable, but you can convince them that the work you would do is. And you do that by charging what you're worth.



Good luck! This is one of those ongoing hassles with being in IT, and it never really goes away.






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    Everyone's time is valuable because our time, here on earth, is limited. Something is often valuable because there's not a lot of it. For example, if gold was as plentiful as sand, it wouldn't be as valuable.



    Because our time is limited, we only have a certain amount of time to earn money to pay our bills, etc. If we spend too much time working for free, we may not earn enough to have a successful business, to survive.
    You may not be short on cash, now, but if you keep spending your time working for free, you'll eventually use up your savings.



    If you don't want to spend more than a certain amount of your free time repairing friends/family's computers, you could always say you have a job/responsibility that needs to be dealt with within a certain amount of time so you don't have time to work on their computer. Then they can decide whether to wait until you have time to spare or they can find someone else to repair their computer and pay for the work. 😌




    I went through a similar experience with my family and friends and their computers. At first, I was happy to help them. I felt flattered that they thought I was qualified enough for them to entrust their valuable computers to me. But eventually, the situation got out of hand.



    Friends of friends heard about how I successfully helped others in a timely manner and didn't charge (as they were friends) but I soon found myself spending all my free time helping others and not having any time for myself. I eventually got "burnout", my health was affected, and I had to disappoint both family and my close friends because I couldn't help them.



    Some of them got offended and angry when I was honest and tried to explain why I couldn't be there for them. So to be diplomatic (and to prevent the situation from getting worse), I used the excuse that I had to put in overtime at work (or else be fired). So it wasn't that I "didn't want" to help, but I wasn't able to.



    Some waited until I had free time to spare to fix their computers while others payed someone else to fix their computers. 😉






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      Welcome to IT! Anyone who works in the field will tell you that requests from family members to fix their computers is an occupational hassle. I've known mainframe operators who get this asked of them, as well as programmers, network security admins, and other specialties who would have minimal interaction with that skill set.



      The important thing here, I've discovered, is setting expectations. Obviously there's a mismatch - you expect to be paid for your skills, and some of these folks expect that you'd want to do it for free. I'm not hearing "I don't want to fix personal computers", so we can leave that out of the discussion. (That's been my response for the last decade: I don't work on home computers).



      What I've seen other tech guys do is to have a base rate, and have it be commensurate with your skill set (and desire to do the job). "Geek Squad charges $50/hour? I charge $75 - if you don't like it, you can use Geek Squad..."



      Also important is your desire/ability to say "no". One of my co-workers says "unless you gave birth to me, or are having sex with me (of my choice), I'm not fixing your computer for you for free". I'd recommend having a similar stance: I'll fix computers for free for my parents, but after that my labor rates kick in. The customer can choose to pay or not to to have the service. To the "I thought we were family", I respond with: "My family pays for my services, too".



      You can never really convince others that your time is valuable, but you can convince them that the work you would do is. And you do that by charging what you're worth.



      Good luck! This is one of those ongoing hassles with being in IT, and it never really goes away.






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        Welcome to IT! Anyone who works in the field will tell you that requests from family members to fix their computers is an occupational hassle. I've known mainframe operators who get this asked of them, as well as programmers, network security admins, and other specialties who would have minimal interaction with that skill set.



        The important thing here, I've discovered, is setting expectations. Obviously there's a mismatch - you expect to be paid for your skills, and some of these folks expect that you'd want to do it for free. I'm not hearing "I don't want to fix personal computers", so we can leave that out of the discussion. (That's been my response for the last decade: I don't work on home computers).



        What I've seen other tech guys do is to have a base rate, and have it be commensurate with your skill set (and desire to do the job). "Geek Squad charges $50/hour? I charge $75 - if you don't like it, you can use Geek Squad..."



        Also important is your desire/ability to say "no". One of my co-workers says "unless you gave birth to me, or are having sex with me (of my choice), I'm not fixing your computer for you for free". I'd recommend having a similar stance: I'll fix computers for free for my parents, but after that my labor rates kick in. The customer can choose to pay or not to to have the service. To the "I thought we were family", I respond with: "My family pays for my services, too".



        You can never really convince others that your time is valuable, but you can convince them that the work you would do is. And you do that by charging what you're worth.



        Good luck! This is one of those ongoing hassles with being in IT, and it never really goes away.






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          Welcome to IT! Anyone who works in the field will tell you that requests from family members to fix their computers is an occupational hassle. I've known mainframe operators who get this asked of them, as well as programmers, network security admins, and other specialties who would have minimal interaction with that skill set.



          The important thing here, I've discovered, is setting expectations. Obviously there's a mismatch - you expect to be paid for your skills, and some of these folks expect that you'd want to do it for free. I'm not hearing "I don't want to fix personal computers", so we can leave that out of the discussion. (That's been my response for the last decade: I don't work on home computers).



          What I've seen other tech guys do is to have a base rate, and have it be commensurate with your skill set (and desire to do the job). "Geek Squad charges $50/hour? I charge $75 - if you don't like it, you can use Geek Squad..."



          Also important is your desire/ability to say "no". One of my co-workers says "unless you gave birth to me, or are having sex with me (of my choice), I'm not fixing your computer for you for free". I'd recommend having a similar stance: I'll fix computers for free for my parents, but after that my labor rates kick in. The customer can choose to pay or not to to have the service. To the "I thought we were family", I respond with: "My family pays for my services, too".



          You can never really convince others that your time is valuable, but you can convince them that the work you would do is. And you do that by charging what you're worth.



          Good luck! This is one of those ongoing hassles with being in IT, and it never really goes away.






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          Welcome to IT! Anyone who works in the field will tell you that requests from family members to fix their computers is an occupational hassle. I've known mainframe operators who get this asked of them, as well as programmers, network security admins, and other specialties who would have minimal interaction with that skill set.



          The important thing here, I've discovered, is setting expectations. Obviously there's a mismatch - you expect to be paid for your skills, and some of these folks expect that you'd want to do it for free. I'm not hearing "I don't want to fix personal computers", so we can leave that out of the discussion. (That's been my response for the last decade: I don't work on home computers).



          What I've seen other tech guys do is to have a base rate, and have it be commensurate with your skill set (and desire to do the job). "Geek Squad charges $50/hour? I charge $75 - if you don't like it, you can use Geek Squad..."



          Also important is your desire/ability to say "no". One of my co-workers says "unless you gave birth to me, or are having sex with me (of my choice), I'm not fixing your computer for you for free". I'd recommend having a similar stance: I'll fix computers for free for my parents, but after that my labor rates kick in. The customer can choose to pay or not to to have the service. To the "I thought we were family", I respond with: "My family pays for my services, too".



          You can never really convince others that your time is valuable, but you can convince them that the work you would do is. And you do that by charging what you're worth.



          Good luck! This is one of those ongoing hassles with being in IT, and it never really goes away.







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              Everyone's time is valuable because our time, here on earth, is limited. Something is often valuable because there's not a lot of it. For example, if gold was as plentiful as sand, it wouldn't be as valuable.



              Because our time is limited, we only have a certain amount of time to earn money to pay our bills, etc. If we spend too much time working for free, we may not earn enough to have a successful business, to survive.
              You may not be short on cash, now, but if you keep spending your time working for free, you'll eventually use up your savings.



              If you don't want to spend more than a certain amount of your free time repairing friends/family's computers, you could always say you have a job/responsibility that needs to be dealt with within a certain amount of time so you don't have time to work on their computer. Then they can decide whether to wait until you have time to spare or they can find someone else to repair their computer and pay for the work. 😌




              I went through a similar experience with my family and friends and their computers. At first, I was happy to help them. I felt flattered that they thought I was qualified enough for them to entrust their valuable computers to me. But eventually, the situation got out of hand.



              Friends of friends heard about how I successfully helped others in a timely manner and didn't charge (as they were friends) but I soon found myself spending all my free time helping others and not having any time for myself. I eventually got "burnout", my health was affected, and I had to disappoint both family and my close friends because I couldn't help them.



              Some of them got offended and angry when I was honest and tried to explain why I couldn't be there for them. So to be diplomatic (and to prevent the situation from getting worse), I used the excuse that I had to put in overtime at work (or else be fired). So it wasn't that I "didn't want" to help, but I wasn't able to.



              Some waited until I had free time to spare to fix their computers while others payed someone else to fix their computers. 😉






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                Everyone's time is valuable because our time, here on earth, is limited. Something is often valuable because there's not a lot of it. For example, if gold was as plentiful as sand, it wouldn't be as valuable.



                Because our time is limited, we only have a certain amount of time to earn money to pay our bills, etc. If we spend too much time working for free, we may not earn enough to have a successful business, to survive.
                You may not be short on cash, now, but if you keep spending your time working for free, you'll eventually use up your savings.



                If you don't want to spend more than a certain amount of your free time repairing friends/family's computers, you could always say you have a job/responsibility that needs to be dealt with within a certain amount of time so you don't have time to work on their computer. Then they can decide whether to wait until you have time to spare or they can find someone else to repair their computer and pay for the work. 😌




                I went through a similar experience with my family and friends and their computers. At first, I was happy to help them. I felt flattered that they thought I was qualified enough for them to entrust their valuable computers to me. But eventually, the situation got out of hand.



                Friends of friends heard about how I successfully helped others in a timely manner and didn't charge (as they were friends) but I soon found myself spending all my free time helping others and not having any time for myself. I eventually got "burnout", my health was affected, and I had to disappoint both family and my close friends because I couldn't help them.



                Some of them got offended and angry when I was honest and tried to explain why I couldn't be there for them. So to be diplomatic (and to prevent the situation from getting worse), I used the excuse that I had to put in overtime at work (or else be fired). So it wasn't that I "didn't want" to help, but I wasn't able to.



                Some waited until I had free time to spare to fix their computers while others payed someone else to fix their computers. 😉






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                  Everyone's time is valuable because our time, here on earth, is limited. Something is often valuable because there's not a lot of it. For example, if gold was as plentiful as sand, it wouldn't be as valuable.



                  Because our time is limited, we only have a certain amount of time to earn money to pay our bills, etc. If we spend too much time working for free, we may not earn enough to have a successful business, to survive.
                  You may not be short on cash, now, but if you keep spending your time working for free, you'll eventually use up your savings.



                  If you don't want to spend more than a certain amount of your free time repairing friends/family's computers, you could always say you have a job/responsibility that needs to be dealt with within a certain amount of time so you don't have time to work on their computer. Then they can decide whether to wait until you have time to spare or they can find someone else to repair their computer and pay for the work. 😌




                  I went through a similar experience with my family and friends and their computers. At first, I was happy to help them. I felt flattered that they thought I was qualified enough for them to entrust their valuable computers to me. But eventually, the situation got out of hand.



                  Friends of friends heard about how I successfully helped others in a timely manner and didn't charge (as they were friends) but I soon found myself spending all my free time helping others and not having any time for myself. I eventually got "burnout", my health was affected, and I had to disappoint both family and my close friends because I couldn't help them.



                  Some of them got offended and angry when I was honest and tried to explain why I couldn't be there for them. So to be diplomatic (and to prevent the situation from getting worse), I used the excuse that I had to put in overtime at work (or else be fired). So it wasn't that I "didn't want" to help, but I wasn't able to.



                  Some waited until I had free time to spare to fix their computers while others payed someone else to fix their computers. 😉






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                  Everyone's time is valuable because our time, here on earth, is limited. Something is often valuable because there's not a lot of it. For example, if gold was as plentiful as sand, it wouldn't be as valuable.



                  Because our time is limited, we only have a certain amount of time to earn money to pay our bills, etc. If we spend too much time working for free, we may not earn enough to have a successful business, to survive.
                  You may not be short on cash, now, but if you keep spending your time working for free, you'll eventually use up your savings.



                  If you don't want to spend more than a certain amount of your free time repairing friends/family's computers, you could always say you have a job/responsibility that needs to be dealt with within a certain amount of time so you don't have time to work on their computer. Then they can decide whether to wait until you have time to spare or they can find someone else to repair their computer and pay for the work. 😌




                  I went through a similar experience with my family and friends and their computers. At first, I was happy to help them. I felt flattered that they thought I was qualified enough for them to entrust their valuable computers to me. But eventually, the situation got out of hand.



                  Friends of friends heard about how I successfully helped others in a timely manner and didn't charge (as they were friends) but I soon found myself spending all my free time helping others and not having any time for myself. I eventually got "burnout", my health was affected, and I had to disappoint both family and my close friends because I couldn't help them.



                  Some of them got offended and angry when I was honest and tried to explain why I couldn't be there for them. So to be diplomatic (and to prevent the situation from getting worse), I used the excuse that I had to put in overtime at work (or else be fired). So it wasn't that I "didn't want" to help, but I wasn't able to.



                  Some waited until I had free time to spare to fix their computers while others payed someone else to fix their computers. 😉







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