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Could an octopus ride a bicycle?
Is it possible to ride a carnivore species?Would it be plausible to ride a rhinoceros into battle?Could horses ride humans the same way that humans ride horses?What evolutionary factors could evolve a species which looks like a hybrid between bunny and octopus?A Freshwater Octopus?What Adaptation Would Make An Octopus Live Longer?Family planning for octopus?How could aliens capture humans?How could aliens tell a group of humans apart?Why would unicorns only let virgins ride them, and bicorns refuse to let virgins ride them?
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I'm imagining a scenario where there is a conflict between humans and intelligent octopuses. The humans' main mode of transport is the bicycle.
The octopuses decide to stage a night raid whereby they will steal the humans' bicycles and dispose of them at the bottom of the sea. The problem is that they must transport the bikes from land to the coast. Dragging these would make a noise so the octopus plan to ride the bikes.
Question
Assuming that the intelligent octopuses are of a size to reach the pedals and the handlebars, could an octopus actually ride a bicycle - even in theory? What aspects of biology could prevent it.
Notes
Assume that the octopuses can survive out of water for the time required. (real-life octopuses do sometimes travel short distances on land)
Assume that the octopuses have worked out a way to mount the bikes but they can't support their full body weight clear of the ground on their tentacles for any length of time - hence needing to use the saddle.
reality-check biology interspecies-relations
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I'm imagining a scenario where there is a conflict between humans and intelligent octopuses. The humans' main mode of transport is the bicycle.
The octopuses decide to stage a night raid whereby they will steal the humans' bicycles and dispose of them at the bottom of the sea. The problem is that they must transport the bikes from land to the coast. Dragging these would make a noise so the octopus plan to ride the bikes.
Question
Assuming that the intelligent octopuses are of a size to reach the pedals and the handlebars, could an octopus actually ride a bicycle - even in theory? What aspects of biology could prevent it.
Notes
Assume that the octopuses can survive out of water for the time required. (real-life octopuses do sometimes travel short distances on land)
Assume that the octopuses have worked out a way to mount the bikes but they can't support their full body weight clear of the ground on their tentacles for any length of time - hence needing to use the saddle.
reality-check biology interspecies-relations
asked 4 hours ago
chasly from UKchasly from UK
20.9k987177
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You mean civilised Octopuses right? Cephalopods are scary intelligent.
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– Ash
4 hours ago
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@Ash - You could put it that way. They can certainly communicate as well as we can, form complex plans, and work as a team. I don't think real ones can do all of that.
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– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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My gut says this should be possible, but the fact that I've never seen a clip of an octopus riding a bike makes me second-guess myself, because that is obviously something that should exist in this day and age.
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– Nuclear Wang
4 hours ago
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Can those octopuses stand on their tentacles, when out of the water?
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– Alexander
4 hours ago
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@Alexander - They can't support their entire weight clear of the ground for any great length of time. That's why they need to use the saddle once in motion.
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– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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I'm imagining a scenario where there is a conflict between humans and intelligent octopuses. The humans' main mode of transport is the bicycle.
The octopuses decide to stage a night raid whereby they will steal the humans' bicycles and dispose of them at the bottom of the sea. The problem is that they must transport the bikes from land to the coast. Dragging these would make a noise so the octopus plan to ride the bikes.
Question
Assuming that the intelligent octopuses are of a size to reach the pedals and the handlebars, could an octopus actually ride a bicycle - even in theory? What aspects of biology could prevent it.
Notes
Assume that the octopuses can survive out of water for the time required. (real-life octopuses do sometimes travel short distances on land)
Assume that the octopuses have worked out a way to mount the bikes but they can't support their full body weight clear of the ground on their tentacles for any length of time - hence needing to use the saddle.
reality-check biology interspecies-relations
asked 4 hours ago
chasly from UKchasly from UK
20.9k987177
$endgroup$
I'm imagining a scenario where there is a conflict between humans and intelligent octopuses. The humans' main mode of transport is the bicycle.
The octopuses decide to stage a night raid whereby they will steal the humans' bicycles and dispose of them at the bottom of the sea. The problem is that they must transport the bikes from land to the coast. Dragging these would make a noise so the octopus plan to ride the bikes.
Question
Assuming that the intelligent octopuses are of a size to reach the pedals and the handlebars, could an octopus actually ride a bicycle - even in theory? What aspects of biology could prevent it.
Notes
Assume that the octopuses can survive out of water for the time required. (real-life octopuses do sometimes travel short distances on land)
Assume that the octopuses have worked out a way to mount the bikes but they can't support their full body weight clear of the ground on their tentacles for any length of time - hence needing to use the saddle.
reality-check biology interspecies-relations
reality-check biology interspecies-relations
asked 4 hours ago
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asked 4 hours ago
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You mean civilised Octopuses right? Cephalopods are scary intelligent.
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– Ash
4 hours ago
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@Ash - You could put it that way. They can certainly communicate as well as we can, form complex plans, and work as a team. I don't think real ones can do all of that.
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– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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My gut says this should be possible, but the fact that I've never seen a clip of an octopus riding a bike makes me second-guess myself, because that is obviously something that should exist in this day and age.
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– Nuclear Wang
4 hours ago
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Can those octopuses stand on their tentacles, when out of the water?
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– Alexander
4 hours ago
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@Alexander - They can't support their entire weight clear of the ground for any great length of time. That's why they need to use the saddle once in motion.
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– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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You mean civilised Octopuses right? Cephalopods are scary intelligent.
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– Ash
4 hours ago
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@Ash - You could put it that way. They can certainly communicate as well as we can, form complex plans, and work as a team. I don't think real ones can do all of that.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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My gut says this should be possible, but the fact that I've never seen a clip of an octopus riding a bike makes me second-guess myself, because that is obviously something that should exist in this day and age.
$endgroup$
– Nuclear Wang
4 hours ago
2
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Can those octopuses stand on their tentacles, when out of the water?
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– Alexander
4 hours ago
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@Alexander - They can't support their entire weight clear of the ground for any great length of time. That's why they need to use the saddle once in motion.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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You mean civilised Octopuses right? Cephalopods are scary intelligent.
$endgroup$
– Ash
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
You mean civilised Octopuses right? Cephalopods are scary intelligent.
$endgroup$
– Ash
4 hours ago
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@Ash - You could put it that way. They can certainly communicate as well as we can, form complex plans, and work as a team. I don't think real ones can do all of that.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Ash - You could put it that way. They can certainly communicate as well as we can, form complex plans, and work as a team. I don't think real ones can do all of that.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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My gut says this should be possible, but the fact that I've never seen a clip of an octopus riding a bike makes me second-guess myself, because that is obviously something that should exist in this day and age.
$endgroup$
– Nuclear Wang
4 hours ago
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My gut says this should be possible, but the fact that I've never seen a clip of an octopus riding a bike makes me second-guess myself, because that is obviously something that should exist in this day and age.
$endgroup$
– Nuclear Wang
4 hours ago
2
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Can those octopuses stand on their tentacles, when out of the water?
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– Alexander
4 hours ago
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Can those octopuses stand on their tentacles, when out of the water?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
4 hours ago
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@Alexander - They can't support their entire weight clear of the ground for any great length of time. That's why they need to use the saddle once in motion.
$endgroup$
– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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@Alexander - They can't support their entire weight clear of the ground for any great length of time. That's why they need to use the saddle once in motion.
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Octopuses are fairly strong for their size; so, being physically able to ride a bike should not be an obstacle. Practically speaking, probably not so much.
Even humans that have never ridden a bike before generally can not do it without falling over repeatedly and making a bunch of noise. So assuming bike riding is not a thing octopuses already teach their young, then a random night raid like this would fail hilariously.
To further complicate the matter, octopuses have decentralized motor control over their tentacles. This means that their brain can give a limb a general idea of what that limb should do, but then the tentacle decides how to do it. This would probably make activities that require each part of the octopus's body to work in tandem for things like riding a bike pretty difficult compared to an animal with a centralized control system.
answered 4 hours ago
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+1 for the need to learn to ride a bike.
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– user10915156
2 hours ago
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I'm now imagining that our octopus army has somehow managed to acquire a single bicycle, and are all taking turns learning how to ride it in preparation for the big raid.
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– Admiral Jota
2 hours ago
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I don't think there's anything to prevent an octopus from riding a bicycle with the possible exception of force exertion, I'm not sure that an octopus can get enough down force from it's tentacles to move the peddles. In short they may not be strong enough but otherwise they're biomechanically adaptable enough for the task.
As a note any octopus big enough and strong enough to ride a bicycle can probably carry it completely off the ground more easily than they can ride it.
answered 4 hours ago
AshAsh
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With the right gearing, the force required to move the pedals can be quite small. They might not do well on a single-speed bike, but any bike that's built to climb hills may work.
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– Nuclear Wang
3 hours ago
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Pedals need not be pushed down. You can also pull them up on the upturn.
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– user10915156
2 hours ago
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Octopuses are fairly strong for their size; so, being physically able to ride a bike should not be an obstacle. Practically speaking, probably not so much.
Even humans that have never ridden a bike before generally can not do it without falling over repeatedly and making a bunch of noise. So assuming bike riding is not a thing octopuses already teach their young, then a random night raid like this would fail hilariously.
To further complicate the matter, octopuses have decentralized motor control over their tentacles. This means that their brain can give a limb a general idea of what that limb should do, but then the tentacle decides how to do it. This would probably make activities that require each part of the octopus's body to work in tandem for things like riding a bike pretty difficult compared to an animal with a centralized control system.
answered 4 hours ago
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+1 for the need to learn to ride a bike.
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– user10915156
2 hours ago
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I'm now imagining that our octopus army has somehow managed to acquire a single bicycle, and are all taking turns learning how to ride it in preparation for the big raid.
$endgroup$
– Admiral Jota
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Octopuses are fairly strong for their size; so, being physically able to ride a bike should not be an obstacle. Practically speaking, probably not so much.
Even humans that have never ridden a bike before generally can not do it without falling over repeatedly and making a bunch of noise. So assuming bike riding is not a thing octopuses already teach their young, then a random night raid like this would fail hilariously.
To further complicate the matter, octopuses have decentralized motor control over their tentacles. This means that their brain can give a limb a general idea of what that limb should do, but then the tentacle decides how to do it. This would probably make activities that require each part of the octopus's body to work in tandem for things like riding a bike pretty difficult compared to an animal with a centralized control system.
answered 4 hours ago
NosajimikiNosajimiki
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+1 for the need to learn to ride a bike.
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– user10915156
2 hours ago
2
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I'm now imagining that our octopus army has somehow managed to acquire a single bicycle, and are all taking turns learning how to ride it in preparation for the big raid.
$endgroup$
– Admiral Jota
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Octopuses are fairly strong for their size; so, being physically able to ride a bike should not be an obstacle. Practically speaking, probably not so much.
Even humans that have never ridden a bike before generally can not do it without falling over repeatedly and making a bunch of noise. So assuming bike riding is not a thing octopuses already teach their young, then a random night raid like this would fail hilariously.
To further complicate the matter, octopuses have decentralized motor control over their tentacles. This means that their brain can give a limb a general idea of what that limb should do, but then the tentacle decides how to do it. This would probably make activities that require each part of the octopus's body to work in tandem for things like riding a bike pretty difficult compared to an animal with a centralized control system.
answered 4 hours ago
NosajimikiNosajimiki
3,171126
$endgroup$
Octopuses are fairly strong for their size; so, being physically able to ride a bike should not be an obstacle. Practically speaking, probably not so much.
Even humans that have never ridden a bike before generally can not do it without falling over repeatedly and making a bunch of noise. So assuming bike riding is not a thing octopuses already teach their young, then a random night raid like this would fail hilariously.
To further complicate the matter, octopuses have decentralized motor control over their tentacles. This means that their brain can give a limb a general idea of what that limb should do, but then the tentacle decides how to do it. This would probably make activities that require each part of the octopus's body to work in tandem for things like riding a bike pretty difficult compared to an animal with a centralized control system.
answered 4 hours ago
NosajimikiNosajimiki
3,171126
answered 4 hours ago
NosajimikiNosajimiki
3,171126
answered 4 hours ago
NosajimikiNosajimiki
3,171126
answered 4 hours ago
NosajimikiNosajimiki
3,171126
3,171126
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+1 for the need to learn to ride a bike.
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– user10915156
2 hours ago
2
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I'm now imagining that our octopus army has somehow managed to acquire a single bicycle, and are all taking turns learning how to ride it in preparation for the big raid.
$endgroup$
– Admiral Jota
2 hours ago
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
+1 for the need to learn to ride a bike.
$endgroup$
– user10915156
2 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
I'm now imagining that our octopus army has somehow managed to acquire a single bicycle, and are all taking turns learning how to ride it in preparation for the big raid.
$endgroup$
– Admiral Jota
2 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
+1 for the need to learn to ride a bike.
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– user10915156
2 hours ago
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+1 for the need to learn to ride a bike.
$endgroup$
– user10915156
2 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
I'm now imagining that our octopus army has somehow managed to acquire a single bicycle, and are all taking turns learning how to ride it in preparation for the big raid.
$endgroup$
– Admiral Jota
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
I'm now imagining that our octopus army has somehow managed to acquire a single bicycle, and are all taking turns learning how to ride it in preparation for the big raid.
$endgroup$
– Admiral Jota
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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I don't think there's anything to prevent an octopus from riding a bicycle with the possible exception of force exertion, I'm not sure that an octopus can get enough down force from it's tentacles to move the peddles. In short they may not be strong enough but otherwise they're biomechanically adaptable enough for the task.
As a note any octopus big enough and strong enough to ride a bicycle can probably carry it completely off the ground more easily than they can ride it.
answered 4 hours ago
AshAsh
27.7k468156
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With the right gearing, the force required to move the pedals can be quite small. They might not do well on a single-speed bike, but any bike that's built to climb hills may work.
$endgroup$
– Nuclear Wang
3 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
Pedals need not be pushed down. You can also pull them up on the upturn.
$endgroup$
– user10915156
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I don't think there's anything to prevent an octopus from riding a bicycle with the possible exception of force exertion, I'm not sure that an octopus can get enough down force from it's tentacles to move the peddles. In short they may not be strong enough but otherwise they're biomechanically adaptable enough for the task.
As a note any octopus big enough and strong enough to ride a bicycle can probably carry it completely off the ground more easily than they can ride it.
answered 4 hours ago
AshAsh
27.7k468156
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
With the right gearing, the force required to move the pedals can be quite small. They might not do well on a single-speed bike, but any bike that's built to climb hills may work.
$endgroup$
– Nuclear Wang
3 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
Pedals need not be pushed down. You can also pull them up on the upturn.
$endgroup$
– user10915156
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I don't think there's anything to prevent an octopus from riding a bicycle with the possible exception of force exertion, I'm not sure that an octopus can get enough down force from it's tentacles to move the peddles. In short they may not be strong enough but otherwise they're biomechanically adaptable enough for the task.
As a note any octopus big enough and strong enough to ride a bicycle can probably carry it completely off the ground more easily than they can ride it.
answered 4 hours ago
AshAsh
27.7k468156
$endgroup$
I don't think there's anything to prevent an octopus from riding a bicycle with the possible exception of force exertion, I'm not sure that an octopus can get enough down force from it's tentacles to move the peddles. In short they may not be strong enough but otherwise they're biomechanically adaptable enough for the task.
As a note any octopus big enough and strong enough to ride a bicycle can probably carry it completely off the ground more easily than they can ride it.
answered 4 hours ago
AshAsh
27.7k468156
answered 4 hours ago
AshAsh
27.7k468156
answered 4 hours ago
AshAsh
27.7k468156
answered 4 hours ago
AshAsh
27.7k468156
27.7k468156
$begingroup$
With the right gearing, the force required to move the pedals can be quite small. They might not do well on a single-speed bike, but any bike that's built to climb hills may work.
$endgroup$
– Nuclear Wang
3 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
Pedals need not be pushed down. You can also pull them up on the upturn.
$endgroup$
– user10915156
2 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
With the right gearing, the force required to move the pedals can be quite small. They might not do well on a single-speed bike, but any bike that's built to climb hills may work.
$endgroup$
– Nuclear Wang
3 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
Pedals need not be pushed down. You can also pull them up on the upturn.
$endgroup$
– user10915156
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
With the right gearing, the force required to move the pedals can be quite small. They might not do well on a single-speed bike, but any bike that's built to climb hills may work.
$endgroup$
– Nuclear Wang
3 hours ago
$begingroup$
With the right gearing, the force required to move the pedals can be quite small. They might not do well on a single-speed bike, but any bike that's built to climb hills may work.
$endgroup$
– Nuclear Wang
3 hours ago
3
3
$begingroup$
Pedals need not be pushed down. You can also pull them up on the upturn.
$endgroup$
– user10915156
2 hours ago
$begingroup$
Pedals need not be pushed down. You can also pull them up on the upturn.
$endgroup$
– user10915156
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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You mean civilised Octopuses right? Cephalopods are scary intelligent.
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– Ash
4 hours ago
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@Ash - You could put it that way. They can certainly communicate as well as we can, form complex plans, and work as a team. I don't think real ones can do all of that.
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– chasly from UK
4 hours ago
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My gut says this should be possible, but the fact that I've never seen a clip of an octopus riding a bike makes me second-guess myself, because that is obviously something that should exist in this day and age.
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– Nuclear Wang
4 hours ago
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Can those octopuses stand on their tentacles, when out of the water?
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– Alexander
4 hours ago
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@Alexander - They can't support their entire weight clear of the ground for any great length of time. That's why they need to use the saddle once in motion.
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– chasly from UK
4 hours ago